Brixtan's Pure Summoner Build

If you rarely get hit, what is the point in stacking so much hp?

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dma634 wrote:

If you rarely get hit, what is the point in stacking so much hp?

Because at end-game, a single hit can take off upwards of 800-1k hp and I'd prefer not losing xp if I can avoid it. I currently have a little over 1800hp and am still quite squishy - thankfully I can take around 2 - 3 hits.

Different strokes for different folks.

hello,
your build is similar to mine up to a point where i disagree with any1 going for HP build as a witch. as a witch taking anything but a CI endgame is real waste IMO since you get so much ES from INT. Chaos damage will blow away all your Hp in no time, and you didnt take any ress nodes at all. my guess is you wont be able to survive merc act3 no matter how much HP you got without ress (chaos will be your biggest prob)

my summoner is at lvl 40 atm, just took all pet nodes, but my final build will look like this.
-no Hp nodes
-full ES nodes + ES regen
-CI as soon as i get to 2k+ ES, also NAeges at same time (not before it)
-as much INT nodes as possible
-as much other ress nodes

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Ivanwinz wrote:

hello,
your build is similar to mine up to a point where i disagree with any1 going for HP build as a witch. as a witch taking anything but a CI endgame is real waste IMO since you get so much ES from INT. Chaos damage will blow away all your Hp in no time, and you didnt take any ress nodes at all. my guess is you wont be able to survive merc act3 no matter how much HP you got without ress (chaos will be your biggest prob)

my summoner is at lvl 40 atm, just took all pet nodes, but my final build will look like this.
-no Hp nodes
-full ES nodes + ES regen
-CI as soon as i get to 2k+ ES, also NAeges at same time (not before it)
-as much INT nodes as possible
-as much other ress nodes

Ok, am going to explain to you why HP is better then energy shield.

1. You lose access to Eldrich Battery which is arguably one of the best nodes in the game. Aura stacking is very strong.

2. With just 1 hp with CI, you will be getting stunned, ALOT. Stun chance is mitaged with max life the forumla is stun_chance = 200 * damage / defender_effective_max_life

so 200 * damage/1 (You will be getting virtually stun locked and potentially put you in a really bad position as summoners is all about positioning your character in relation to your minions to achieve maximum dps.)

Source: http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Stun

3. A large hp pool can just as easily mitigate chaos damage as CI

4. With EB I no longer require mana potions (my mp regen is 76.8) (instead ive replaced them with granite flasks or quick silver flask)

5. If you get "as much int nodes as possible" Your going to limit the support gems and auras that you have access to (and i don't mean a shitty lvl 1 support gem am talking about high level gems)

6. you won't be able to access Midnight bargain with CI

shameless link to my HP STACKING summoner

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/107541

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Ivanwinz wrote:

hello,
your build is similar to mine up to a point where i disagree with any1 going for HP build as a witch. as a witch taking anything but a CI endgame is real waste IMO since you get so much ES from INT. Chaos damage will blow away all your Hp in no time, and you didnt take any ress nodes at all. my guess is you wont be able to survive merc act3 no matter how much HP you got without ress (chaos will be your biggest prob)

my summoner is at lvl 40 atm, just took all pet nodes, but my final build will look like this.
-no Hp nodes
-full ES nodes + ES regen
-CI as soon as i get to 2k+ ES, also NAeges at same time (not before it)
-as much INT nodes as possible
-as much other ress nodes

I think CI is pointless with a summoner. You shouldn't be taking that much chaos damage. My summoner has close to 2k hp now and it's nice not getting 3-shotted in end-game at lvl 66. The poster above me eloquently pointed out why more HP is never a bad idea.

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mattc3303 wrote:

*Necromantic Aegis is useless. You Def want the shield stats for yourself come late game. It doesn't do enough for the minion.

I strongly disagree, especially if you use casters as spectres. I'm doing 70+ maps with NA just fine, and my Rathpith Globe is amazing for NA. Rares with similar stats can work just as well.

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mattc3303 wrote:

1. You lose access to Eldrich Battery which is arguably one of the best nodes in the game. Aura stacking is very strong.

I used EB for a long time but dropped it recently, having no ES and using so many uniques with poor defensive stats makes you extremely flimsy. I can still run Haste, Discipline, Purity and Anger currently which seems like plenty.

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mattc3303 wrote:

2. With just 1 hp with CI, you will be getting stunned, ALOT. Stun chance is mitaged with max life the forumla is stun_chance = 200 * damage / defender_effective_max_life

so 200 * damage/1 (You will be getting virtually stun locked and potentially put you in a really bad position as summoners is all about positioning your character in relation to your minions to achieve maximum dps.)

Source: http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Stun

The stun formula uses what your max life would be without CI, not 1. You'll still be more prone to stuns since you won't be investing in hp nodes/gear as a CI build, but you don't get stunned every hit.

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Girltoy69 wrote:

A last thing I've been thinking about, let's take the Flame Ribbons as an example, they "cast" fireballs, but is that actually considered casts or just auto attacks? I'm thinking of linking Spectres with either Faster Casting + LMP or Faster Attacking + LMP depending on the mechanic.

They count as casts.

And finally, to the OP...

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Brixtan wrote:

This build is not a super fast, clear the entire map in 5-minutes set-up. If you're looking for an extremely fast and efficient farming build, this is probably going to be far slower than you're going to want. You'll spend the majority of your time summoning your skeleton army and cursing mobs, then standing around waiting for your minions to clear everything out.
It's extremely rewarding if you truly enjoy a pure summoner-heavy build though.

I can clear most maps just as fast as any of the popular dps builds. With the various summoner uniques, maybe some quality gems, and using good mobs as spectres you can clear open area maps essentially as fast as you can run from one end to the other (okay, slight exaggeration, but barely). Indoor maps are not quite as fast but a proper summoner build is by no means a slow farmer.

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I strongly disagree, especially if you use casters as spectres. I'm doing 70+ maps with NA just fine, and my Rathpith Globe is amazing for NA. Rares with similar stats can work just as well.

Your right. I wrote that up a while ago. I too believe necromanctic aegis if u get one with high spell dmg.

I still like EB (7 auras)

Hello!
I'm enjoying your build so far, even though i am only lvl 20, but i wanted to try something different now :b.. Although i was just wondering, what to choose with the bandits on norm/cruel and merc ? usually the hardest part sometimes, because alot forgets to write that down :b.. Anyway thanks for sharing the build :D!

who the hell necroed this terrible build ? and why?

Trying this build, now. Level 30, so far, and enjoying it. I'm liable to go the CI route, or make some other drastic change, as I have a tendancy to do things my way. (came up with a nice spin on LA :P) I'm hoping to try something pretty outrageous with this build, but I'll keep shtum. :P

Thanks for an insight into how you do it; hopefully it'll inspire me to try new things with a witch.

EDIT: It's tough and am starting to hate not having a primary attack skill, but I'll ride it out.