[2.0] Crit Mjölner - Stupidly Expensive and Fun. **UBER DOWN**

quick input again:)
tried uber....... but failed. was sloppy a bit. died twice to trash mobs due to puncture:)))
once at vaal no clue why i think dsync!!!!
once at trio tity bitch kept last and she killed me at her last 2 % hp :(
fun part is at atziri i got one shot by this red storm call the last one to hit me before split phase:)
i was using saffels legacy had 6,3 k es resis 87 all.

i guess it would be fine to run uber only need to be carefull on trash mobs .... puncture will insta kill u.
was thinking to mannually cast IC at least for trash mobs it might help :)
i watched over and over again the vid of uber fight in this post still share ur exp.

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sftruze wrote:

multi target DPS is insanely high. everything melts. i know.
thats why i didnt calculated the multi target dps.
I want to Max my single target DPS. so i calculated that.

and i did more simulations to solve following question:
which bandits reward (in merciless) is the best?
1. +1 power charge
2. +1 endurance charge
3. +1 skill point (and take Ele/spell damage node)

I simulated continuity 150000 molten strikes (50000*3 multistrike) for each charge setup.

results 1 (status data is same as last post.)

MAX Power charge - MAX Endurance charge : DPS

3-3 : 123.2k

3-4 : 126.5k
4-3 : 128.2k <- best setup in +1 max charge

3-5 : 129.8k
4-4 : 133.6k <- best setup in +2 max charge
5-3 : 131.1k

3-6 : 128.2k
4-5 : 135.7k
5-4 : 137.5k <- best setup in +3 max charge
6-3 : 133.2k

results 2 ( with rare spell crit shield : additional +100% spell crit.)

MAX Power charge - MAX Endurance charge : DPS

3-3 : 131.5k

3-4 : 134.1k
4-3 : 135.9k <- best setup in +1 max charge

3-5 : 137.6k
4-4 : 141.5k <- best setup in +2 max charge
5-3 : 138.3k

3-6 : 136.2k
4-5 : 143.8k
5-4 : 144.4k <- best setup in +3 max charge
6-3 : 140.7k

since we have +1 endurance charge from tree,
the max charges without bandit reward are Power charge = 3, Endurance charge = 4.

therefore,

+1 power charge =~ +5.5% more damage
+1 endurance charge =~ +2.6% more damage
+1 skill point(and take Ele/spell damage node) =~+3% more damage

+1 power charge (help Alira) is best in single target dps.

(if u have +80% or less total +% increased damage, +1 skill point and take +10% dmg node is better)

If we were to run this analysis for RT, would it make sense for us to go 4 EC and 4 PC for RT? Or would it be better to stick to 3 EC and 3 PC for RT? Not sure if we would constantly get up to 4 PC ahead of each discharge.

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aphrodite_1289 wrote:

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CowDizzle wrote:

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aphrodite_1289 wrote:

The other thing is that i realized this build doesnt require Arc in Mjolner since You alrdy have a high chance to shock enemies with Critical strike and 10% chance to shock from tree. So the Best choice for clearing map is IAOE, and Iron Will (130% spell dmg w/ PA ) is best for dps. (Conc effect actually provides the most dps but the side effect is huge)
Anyway, its a fun build.

Arc is not there to shock, Arc is added so that the mjolner proc's discharge more. It's best to keep arc.

Oh rly? i tried to self-cast ARC to see if it will trigger discharge, and the answer is no.

In my opinion, Arc is only for RT to shock enemies.

Btw, this is my gems set for clearing map, the clearing speed is amazingly fast since every white mobs will get one shot whereever you leapslam, and use cyclone for some rare mobs.

Ye my bad I hdnt slept in a long time, Arc is very useful. It also gets a proc when we attack, meaning it is adding decent damage / range and generating more hits. Not using it is a HUGE disadvantage. Regardless of what you believe I think you need to do some research as to why every Mjolner build is using arc / discharge.

The fact that you're using cyclone alone is pretty terrible. You're clear speeds will be much lower compared to a Ls/ms user. I'll try not to be an asshole but you're setup is trash. If it was better, we would have used it from the start.

Where you say "The clearing speed is amazingly fast since every white mobs will get one shot whereever you leapslam" , You can do this with the normal set up anyway if you really want to, without even having to have it linked to anything.

Arc might even give u a power charge when it non crit, Hvnt played in a long time, can't really remember.

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CowDizzle wrote:

Ye my bad I hdnt slept in a long time, Arc is very useful. It also gets a proc when we attack, meaning it is adding decent damage / range and generating more hits. Not using it is a HUGE disadvantage. Regardless of what you believe I think you need to do some research as to why every Mjolner build is using arc / discharge.

The fact that you're using cyclone alone is pretty terrible. You're clear speeds will be much lower compared to a Ls/ms user. I'll try not to be an asshole but you're setup is trash. If it was better, we would have used it from the start.

Where you say "The clearing speed is amazingly fast since every white mobs will get one shot whereever you leapslam" , You can do this with the normal set up anyway if you really want to, without even having to have it linked to anything.

Arc might even give u a power charge when it non crit, Hvnt played in a long time, can't really remember.

You said "Arc is very useful. It also gets a proc when we attack, meaning it is adding decent damage / range and generating more hits."

Ya i do totally agree Arc provides some decent damage if u only aim to farm dock or low level maps forever.
And ya, it generates more hits, but you can only gain 1 power charge per Arc no matter how many times it chains. In addition, spell wont trigger the discharge on mjolner, so whats your point?

You said "The fact that you're using cyclone alone is pretty terrible. You're clear speeds will be much lower compared to a Ls/ms user."

Did u ever check my comment clearly? i said "white mobs will all get one shot wherever i leapslam, and i only use cyclone with some rare mobs which cannot be one shot by leapslam (but will die after i proc one cyclone)" which means i dont even need to spend time to proceed any active attack skill but just leapslam.
What about LS/MS setup? You walk/leapslam in front of amount of mobs, spend some time to proceed LS/MS (MS even costs u more time) to kill them. Now, can you use your brain to think which one is faster?

You said "You can do this with the normal set up anyway if you really want to, without even having to have it linked to anything."

I assume you never took a glance at my 6L gems setup. Both Cyclone and LeapSlam take advantage of IAOE which means i can generate more hits when I leap into amount of mobs than just proceed an LS toward them.That is the main reason I can always one shot them only with discharge.

You said "I'll try not to be an asshole but you're setup is trash. If it was better, we would have used it from the start."

People used Arc because the build was RT mjolner, which requires ARC to shock enemies like i said before, and everyone gets used to play with Arc-Discharge but never think over if there's a better setup. And I am really sorry for you to hear something like "If it was better, we would have used it from the start." which means "Ya, Everyone is playing XXX, so XXX is the best". You're not trying to be a bad man but just a guy who negate any possible evolution.

BTW, If you wanna focus on how much dps Arc will provide excluding the ability of clearing map. I suggest you to try discharge/conc effect with Molten strike and see how many seconds dominus will be slained.

Hi

I maybe gone do this build and have a question you'r use bloodmagic on tree and your leech goes to ES so how do you sustain the life loss when you spam lightning strike?

Some nodes give life regen if u check the tree.

didn't see thanks

Actually i tested few days ago when Rayamn first posted his suggestions AOE setup, removing Arc and it seems it work really well, i think Rayamn right that its a bit better if arc dont proc discharge. I will test soon cyclone, leap slam setup as well. I wish some1 like OP say something as well in that matter

i play a different build though similar to this one, using cyclone and vaal cyclone (which is pretty fun). in mjölner i use iaoe in maps and conc effect in pvp. works nicely. i saw you guys like arc in mjölner so i tested it but imo its not really worth it. the only advantage is if your aoe is too small it hits enemies far away but thats about it. big disadvantage of it is that if arc crits you lose your power charges which results in a huge dps loss of discharge.

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Kingoko wrote:

Actually i tested few days ago when Rayamn first posted his suggestions AOE setup, removing Arc and it seems it work really well, i think Rayamn right that its a bit better if arc dont proc discharge. I will test soon cyclone, leap slam setup as well. I wish some1 like OP say something as well in that matter

I appreciate that finally there's one guy discuss my setup after he really did test on it.

Discharge radius base is 30
Leapslam radius is 15
With my tree (take all aura nodes in front of Templar) and IAOE,
Discharge effect radius is almost half of screen width length. (almost full screen effect area)
Leapslam radius is nearly one quarter of screen width length.

But for boss fighting (78 dom, 77 piety, uber bosses), I still suggest to use MS since it is still the best single target skill (excluding the delay of projectile flying time) for mjolner.

With MS, discharge-conc effect, it's really easy to slain 78 dom in 2~3 seconds.

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Perz wrote:

big disadvantage of it is that if arc crits you lose your power charges which results in a huge dps loss of discharge.

Totally agree.