[1.2.4] SHATTER CHUCK - 3 MILLION SUSTAINABLE DPS (6.7 \W SHOCK & CURSE) - EASY UBER ATZIRI

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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aphrodite_1289 wrote:

Perhaps carrion call is the best wand.

I just did some annoying math and the result shows carrion call deals more spell dps.

Attack Speed is better than Spell Crit

Now, We're comparing these two versions and assuming the Spell damage are the same.

With new Anger and Wrath, Your DPS source will be not only spell, but also attack.
Obviously, the suffix combination of Wand_1 deals more attack dmg than Wand_2.

Mathematical Proof for the Spell DPS part

Here are some more Assumptions:
1. Attack accuracy and crit chance is 100%. (easy for calculation)

2. Cast on crit chance is 100%. (easy for calculation)

3. We get all crit multi nodes on passive tree which is 169%, so we should have totally 327% crit multi with tree and best gears.

4. Without spell crit on wand, We have 0% increased crit chance for spell on passive tree or gears but 150% from 3 power charges. (This assumption makes the Wand_1 stands at an extremely bad place.)

5. The spell we're testing is Arctic Breath which has 5% crit chance base and x dmg base.

6. The testing time interval is 100 seconds, so Wand_1 hits 169 times, Wand_2 hits 150 times.

So,
Wand_1 casts 169 spells, which includes (169*0.05*250%) 21.125 crit spells and 147.875 noncrit spells.
Wand_2 casts 150 spells, which includes (150*0.05*358%) 26.85 crit spells and 123.15 noncrit spells.

Then,
Wand_1 deals (crit) 21.125*x*(427)% + (noncrit) 147.875*x = 238.08*x total damage in this 100 seconds.
Wand_2 deals (crit) 26.85*x*427% + (noncrit) 123.15*x = 237.80*x total damage in this 100 seconds.

In this time interval and such unfair assumptions, Wand_1 still deals more spell damage than Wand_2.

With Real fair stats

3. Total Crit multi should be around 230% or less.
4. w/o spell crit on wand, we should have around 600% spell crit on tree and gears, so totally 900% with 6 power charges.

So,
Wand_1 casts 169 spells, which includes (169*0.05*1000%) 84.5 crit spells and 84.5 non crit spells.
Wand_2 casts 150 spells, which includes (150*0.05*1108%) 83.1 crit spells and 111.9 non crit spells.

Actually we can stop here, because Wand_1 casts more spells and does more crit spells.

You haven't taken into account the 50ms CoC cooldown. With the cooldown either of the weapons could be better depending on your final aps. A 1.1 aps wand can beat their single target/pack dps if managing aps carefully. However no 1.1 aps mirror CoC crit wand exists.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Yeah, I commented specifically on Carrion Call vs Apocalypse Thirst. If one weapon pushes you over an attack speed breakpoint and not the other, then it's dps will be severely decreased. It was one of the main reasons I switched out of my CoC spec because dps does not scale well with aps (Headhunter buffs can send your aps through the roof but it might decrease your dps) after the introduction of the 50ms cooldown and I wanted to use Headhunter.

The comment after about a 1.1 aps doing more stand and shoot single target dps goes as follows:

Reason 1:
- A prophecy wand with 1.1aps and exactly the same mods as Apocalypse Thirst can get a base crit chance of 12.38%.
- 12.38% base is about 12% more crit chance vs 11.04% base.
- To reach say 90% crit chance with 11.04% base you'll need +715% crit chance from gear and tree
- To reach say 90% crit chance with 12.38% base you'll need +626% crit chance from gear and tree
- So the 1.1aps can do with about 90% less crit chance on the tree which can then be invested in other dps (spell damage, crit multi, spell crit) nodes or defense.

Reason 2:
- Going above 2.2aps with barrage limits you to 4 max casts per barrage vs 8 max casts per barrage if you stay below.
- You'll need to go to 3.0+ aps to just match 2.2aps single target dps all else being equal.
- But it's still not equal because of Reason 1 above. You also need 90% more crit chance on gear and tree to match 2.2aps barrage. So more investment is needed with a faster wand to do the same single target dps.

Where a faster weapon does however help is on moving from pack to pack. If your dps is already high enough, being limited to 4 max procs instead of 8 max procs does not really slow you down too much. So you can finish each barrage and move on to the next pack faster. However, if you have to send off more barrages to finish of packs because of the proc limit then there is no benefit from a faster wand.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

I see you are the owner of Carrion Call so it is obvious you will be biased try and promote its use. I'll just comment on a few things. My reasons were not too hard to follow.

- You always want to use Blood Rage. It's basically free attack speed as the ES degen is hardly noticeable. To use a 1.68 aps and stay below 2.2 aps is wasting a lot of potential. You can think of it as though Blood Rage combined with a 1.1 aps wand comes with all that extra crit chance.

- There's a few places you can drop crit nodes on the tree. Crit multi is not everywhere and most of the time it's not worth travelling to a whole new cluster just for a another 10% crit multi.

DPS vs APS chart:

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aphrodite_1289 wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

I see you are the owner of Carrion Call so it is obvious you will be biased try and promote its use. I'll just comment on a few things. My reasons were not too hard to follow.

- You always want to use Blood Rage. It's basically free attack speed as the ES degen is hardly noticeable. To use a 1.68 aps and stay below 2.2 aps is wasting a lot of potential. You can think of it as though Blood Rage combined with a 1.1 aps wand comes with all that extra crit chance.

- There's a few places you can drop crit nodes on the tree. Crit multi is not everywhere and most of the time it's not worth travelling to a whole new cluster just for a another 10% crit multi.

DPS vs APS chart:

For ur first point, Im providing Math proof with my point and I never mentioned if Im the owner or linked my service thread here to do ad's. Wat about you? pointing this out to obscure the main issue we're talking about?

Finally I understand what you'r talking about which is the BreakPoint of APS, but ur chart is totally wrong.

the concept of breakpoint is about the efficiency of stacking aps.

According to ur chart, ur dps will be less when u'r at 2.3aps than 2.1aps... Really??
I guess the Y-axis of ur chart should be DPH but not DPS.

however, it doesnt matter if it's efficient to stack aps at some point. Did you ever see the result of my math? it shows dps output of ias base is bigger than spell crit base which means higher ias wins less ias.

so, for the second point, it was just a joke bcz I assumed ur arguement was right which is not.

for the last point, u should rly open POEbuilder and check if all those global crit multiplier nodes are next to global crit strike chance nodes (except throatseeker).