[1.2.4] SHATTER CHUCK - 3 MILLION SUSTAINABLE DPS (6.7 \W SHOCK & CURSE) - EASY UBER ATZIRI

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schebab7 wrote:

I feel the 2.3 APS theory is bullshit. It would only apply anyhow if CoC had 100% proc rate whenever you did crit. I feel that the proc is still smoother with apocalypse thirst (engraved wand) than with void battery <2.3 APS. The map clearing is definitely ALOT smoother for me with a faster wand.

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laurinwow wrote:

Is it still possible to use that many auras or is the OP just from when people didn't use blood magic? I can barely fit 4 auras and no heralds as of right now (only level 85 though).

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SaiyanZ wrote:

With GG gear the proc rate is about 63%. i.e. with a lvl21 CoC gem, 95% accuracy and crit chance.

So only 63% x 8 = 5 projectiles will cast on crit on average.

With worse gear, you'd have a 50% or lower proc rate. Or average 4 cast on crits per barrage. If these are evenly spaced in a Barrage then the dps loss is 0%. If the cast on crits are all in the first half of the barrage then your dps loss will be 50% since only 2 out of the 4 hits will proc with aps over 2.2 aps. So the dps loss can range from 0% to 50%. On average it will be somewhere in the middle. The worse your proc rate, the less you will notice this loss.

With aps of less than 2.3 aps there is never this dps loss.


The above deals with average procs per barrage. There are times when all 8 will proc and there are times when 0 will proc. When 0 zeros procs, the dps loss will be 0%. When all 8 procs, only 4 procs will succeed with 2.3 aps and above,, the dps loss will be 50%.


This is the math and there is no way around it.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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schebab7 wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

With GG gear the proc rate is about 63%. i.e. with a lvl21 CoC gem, 95% accuracy and crit chance.

So only 63% x 8 = 5 projectiles will cast on crit on average.

With worse gear, you'd have a 50% or lower proc rate. Or average 4 cast on crits per barrage. If these are evenly spaced in a Barrage then the dps loss is 0%. If the cast on crits are all in the first half of the barrage then your dps loss will be 50% since only 2 out of the 4 hits will proc with aps over 2.2 aps. So the dps loss can range from 0% to 50%. On average it will be somewhere in the middle. The worse your proc rate, the less you will notice this loss.

With aps of less than 2.3 aps there is never this dps loss.


The above deals with average procs per barrage. There are times when all 8 will proc and there are times when 0 will proc. When 0 zeros procs, the dps loss will be 0%. When all 8 procs, only 4 procs will succeed with 2.3 aps and above,, the dps loss will be 50%.


This is the math and there is no way around it.

This is purely theoretical, but there is actually you havent accounted for, since there is a delay between the attacks, the delay is greater with a slower wand also. Let's say attack 1 and 3 would proc with the slower contra the faster wand, the faster wand would still be off cooldown accordingly with the 0.05, leaving this to be a practical advantage also. I don't see you taking this into consideration in your theory which is a major flaw in it, since the faster wand have the upper hand in these situations (which practically occurs all the time).

I may also add: who has 95% hit chance with GG gear? I have all mirrored gear but the necessary uniques and i have 89% hit (90% WITH the 15% inc accuracy node above witch).

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Please do enlighten me: how do I get "GG gear" that gives me 6% more hit chance than this?

be-all and end-all: your theory does definitely not apply in practise. I have tried it at numerous occasions, even turning off blood rage is not benefitial for me (leaving me below 2.3 APS). It's simply not benefitial

Edit: I should also add another question, what kind of GG gear gets me from 87.9 crit (with 7 power charges) to 95%? I dont think you have thought this through. My gear is pretty much done and close to BiS (debatable on some pieces), and you're claiming GG gear gets 95% crit and hit... Well that's simply not the case, so yet again you need to rethink the theory.

You can get more accuracy from the skill tree. I managed to get 92%. 95% is possible by dropping the shavs ring and using two accuracy rings.

Similarly, a higher crit chance wand will get you to 95% crit chance, or more crit nodes on the skill tree.