[1.2.0] Dreamfeather: Post-Mortem
Hi everyone. I’m Lyralei, designer of the unique sword Dreamfeather. As promised, here’s the post-mortem of the entire design process behind my unique.
Conception This began in early May sometime during Open Beta. The initial design of this sword started out, surprisingly not as a sword but as a chestpiece. An assassin’s garb to be specific. During this period, Life was the ubiquitous choice due to the immense spike damage prior to later patches which often resulted in damage spikes upwards of 10,000 damage. (rhoa shield charge did not miss also.) Life was the name of the game. You took as many life nodes as you could and you wore a Kaom’s Heart. (If you were Dominion, you took ES.). Shavronne’s Wrappings didn’t exist and the only person mad enough to use Low-Life Righteous Fire without it was Invalesco. I didn’t like the fact that evasion was severely underrepresented and very weak and after Neonspyder’s demonstration of an acrobatics ranger during a 1 month race, I decided that I would make a unique for what was one of the weakest defensive options in the game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VOnfidvhMP_IGnvuFC3OdchSGB8eRaI2gIS0EzKRqxU/edit?usp=sharing The aforementioned design document accurately depicts my thoughts at said point of time and I pitched it to Rory. This was the initial pitch: " The idea at that time was to create a unique chestpiece that ran parallel to the then-dominant Life meta by making you LOSE life in favour of mitigating damage when you did actually get hit. I opted for only physical damage mitigation because I felt that with flasks, elemental adaptation and purity (then), you could actively work towards mitigating incoming elemental damage which in my mind fit very well thematically with the concept of evasion - to be reactionary. For physical damage however, the old Acrobatics set your armour to 0 making it impossible for you to mitigate damage outside of the then-clunky Enduring Cry + Immortal Call combo (CWDT did not exist) thus my unique aimed to give evasion players the ability to survive a single hard-hitting physical damage source and react. ______________________________________________________________ Design Rory’s initial response was favourable. He liked how much thought I had put into designing the unique and said that while they’d like to address concerns on build dominance with the game’s systems itself, he still thought that my unique was a solid addition to the game. That left me in high hopes. A few days later, he came back with a revision that I was pretty pleased with: " Over the next 2 months, I didn’t hear much if anything from him until late July. At this juncture he apologizes and mentions putting it off. Okay. I was fine with that. Of course to no surprise, Rory apparently got quite the earful as a result of some uniques (Soul Taker and Auxium come to mind) and thus my unique was to be gutted! Physical Damage Reduction was apparently too powerful and it would mean cutting the values on my unique from 70% to 25-30% and even preventing the player from gaining endurance charges. Not exactly what I had in mind and not exactly what I’d call “overpowered”, not when immortal call existed but alright, I could compromise. I thought we could perhaps discuss things and work it out. Of course I didn’t hear from him until mid-October and this time, the introduction of Mana Shield would mean we would have to rework this a little. I didn’t hear back until late November but at this point it was just a short e-mail about misc. stuff. I believe with 1.0.0 and Rory getting married and stuff, there wasn’t time for designing uniques so I just let it rest for now. ______________________________________________________________ Dreamfeather 2.0 Late Febuary during an extremely boring day at work, I decided to completely rework the unique. I decided that I would make a sword. Still evasion but fun. And thus, the results of my theorycrafting are located in this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e6zOYo3mKvHCevtVO0vd0j8RiLRFa0_NUq-48AWKUHg/edit?usp=sharing " I was pleased with it. It was an evasion sword through and through. I made sure that Iron Reflexes/Resolute Technique builds could never fully benefit from it. It had a theme to it too, offence from defence and defence from offence. Sorta like one of those Bruce Lee quotes “Be like water”. I also wanted to provide meaningful choices to the players who would pick up my unique. as explained to Rory in the e-mail:
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" Inspired by Charan, I wanted to make it a choice of whether you got it or not. It was supposed to be a craftable build-defining unique that presented you with the choice of using two to dual-wield or taking it specifically for the benefits it provided in either hand. (The separate hand properties were inspired by dlrr’s axe, Dyadus.) I benchmarked the sword against uniques of a similar power level (easy) and started from there. As the earlier document indicated, the balance and design team seemed to agree that strong unique weapons stopped at 50% of a top tier rare’s power which made sense IF your unique property was compelling enough to make people want to use it beyond its transition phase. The evasion conversion, I kept from the initial design because I like how it promoted evasion and let players who actively improved theirs benefit from it since it would otherwise be pointless to stack evasion past a certain level due to monster accuracy. This way, one wouldn’t be punished that badly for the diminishing returns on evasion efficiency (which Life and ES do not suffer from) and it let smarter players optimize their evasion and how much they wanted or needed based on their available gear (Queen of the Forest hadn’t come out yet). Camouflaged Predator came to me as an active means of defence against physical spells (elemental isn’t a problem). Anyone facing the boss in Jungle Valley, Labyrinthe and Orchard knows how formidable these bosses are, the former being one of the worst if you get the wrong rare monsters accompanying it. Acrobats without any other secondary defences probably can’t do those bosses (easily). The problems were exacerbated during late-game mapping where Evangelists are a common sight and it isn’t all too rare for you to get a huge pack of hasted substantial physical damage Evangelists in a map with +x% elemental damage. I hope none of you playing evasion builds ever had the misfortune of meeting one of those packs. But back on point. The premise as I bolded earlier was to make it an ACTIVE defense meaning you didn’t just sit there and benefit from it like Aegis Aurora. In a sense it was balanced around you actually fighting instead of running away and I liked the idea of that, hence the wording of the first line in the flavour text - “dances a dance”. Having submit my second proposal, I waited. ______________________________________________________________ Interim It wasn’t until the end of March that I decided to shoot them a mail asking about it. At this point, I a little miffed at the fact that I had to keep chasing them about my unique, especially when I put effort into working with them and trying to start discussions. I actually felt more like a passenger along for the ride and less of a designer! Design Continued Okay. New designer. This time Rory handed me over to Nick. I was pretty excited to get feedback on the new design. I got a green light - “looks feasible” with some toning down on Camouflaged Predator to which I concurred. The numbers at this point, I didn’t care about. I just wanted to see the concept make it into the game and I was prepared to fight for it. At some point Rory forgot that he let my unique be craftable and said no only for me to inquire about it and have him backtrack. So far so good since it would keep all the major features AND be craftable! That didn’t last long though as Nick met opposition from the other members of the design team. Camouflaged Predator was cut because they didn’t like how it was a “chance on a chance on a condition” mechanic and no amount of me fighting would help. Thus the dream (har har, what irony) of having people find one Dreamfeather, wonder which hand they’d put it on before they found their second Dreamfeather fizzled out. And to make things worse from a gameplay perspective, removing that meant removing what the sword was trying to help with - dual wield evasion builds surviving physical spell spike damage. This was my retort:
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" I wonder if Evangelists will get some balance pass on them. I sure hope they do. The game needs less incoming physical spell damage since it royally screws over evasion builds. But whatever the case is, Camouflaged Predator is gone. Regardless, we spent quite some time going over how to best approach the matter. In the end, I relented and let the Evasion conversion mechanic take the center stage with other affixes supporting this central one while providing players with the opportunity to choose between taking Resolute Technique and forgoing the ability to evade reflects (and supplementing this weakness with block/dodge) or otherwise benefiting from the accuracy provided by the sword and trying to strike a balance between evasion and accuracy. Some sharp players may also notice the changes to certain sword node clusters in the Ranger highway and opt to deviate into critical strikes which accuracy plays an important role in. (You’ll have to thank Nick for changing the conversion from physical damage to attack damage as this opens up avenues for many different damage types.) Anyway, if you’ve found the unique, you’ll probably know by now that crafting it never made it in because of the implications it had on item progression for the player as well as economic reasons. They gave me the option of keeping it craftable while gutting the unique’s power or letting it be a rare drop and keeping its adjusted power. I chose the latter for obvious reasons. They did however give Dreamfeather its own rarity tier in between two of the top rarity brackets. (Although if I had my way, crafting it wouldn’t be any easier to acquire. The document above should clue you in on why so.) Last edited by Lyralei#5969 on Aug 21, 2014, 9:49:15 PM Last bumped on Jan 27, 2018, 8:08:50 AM
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Design Goals
For those of you who have been asking and contemplating about the pros and cons of dual-wielding one vs running a single sword - you’re asking the right questions. My aims have always been to support underrepresented builds and create opportunities for players to think beyond the metagame. When you ask if trading a shield for another Dreamfeather is worth the loss in defense, it means you considered the opportunity cost of using that unique. These were the questions I wanted people to ask themselves because they defined and set apart some players from the rest. Anyone can take a skill or item and make an optimized build around it but not everyone can identify less obvious interactions that these items/skills have, use them, work around their limitations and make something of them. If you’ve managed to get yourself thinking about my sword then I’ve succeeded in my design goals. ______________________________________________________________ Flavour Text I wrote this one. Took awhile and was inspired by a character I designed for my own game. Brian’s flavour text on the Death’s Harp got me started on doing a poem (I used to write a lot of poems) and I figured I could write a decent one. The first version looked like this: " In retrospect, the first one was pretty shitty and I had Charan help me with feedback. Later on, I found what I wanted when I was re-reading Tolkien’s Silmarillion. In particular, Finrod Felagund’s poem in the Lay of Leithian helped with structuring it. Here’s the poem if anyone wants to read it: http://wonderingminstrels.blogspot.com/1999/07/he-chanted-song-of-wizardry-j-r-r.html This one, I don’t remember when it came to me but I was happy with it and thus is the final flavour text: " I'm a huge fan of layering hidden meanings within poetry so I attempted to do so while writing this. A lot of the words and phrases chosen either have attribution towards the item I designed or towards other facets of things I like. " Another diamond supporter told me it was gorgeous. Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ Art This one didn’t take too long. I left it entirely up to the artist’s interpretations. The original design is as shown below and the final revision was me making the blade slimmer and more agile to fit it being a fast sword. Pretty sure the art department was happy with that since I never sent it back more than once. Last edited by Lyralei#5969 on Sep 1, 2014, 1:51:00 AM
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Closing
I hope this has given you an insight on the entire design process, its ups and downs and a little bit about my thought process as a unique designer. I really did want to make a unique that would get everyone thinking and I’m really sorry if the final revision didn’t cut it (no pun intended) for everyone. Looking back, I can’t say I ever want to go through the process again, at least..not in the manner that I had to pursue it. Several of my guild mates going through (or have gone through) the design process have opted to take a more hands-off approach and I strongly encourage others do the same as they have good things to say about that. Admittedly, I’d imagine that the level of depth at which I approached the project was partial cause of the problem and it probably left very little wriggle room for the design team to work around. I knew what I wanted and I knew the game - maybe a little too well. Perhaps I should have taken a different approach; one less focussed and specific. Designing a unique is a difficult thing because we as diaternal supporters are never given the full picture, thus we design based on the present while the developers design based on the future which isn’t ideal at all because when you are rejected, you do not understand why nor can they explain it because it often pertains to matters which they can’t reveal just yet and this potentially causes a rift in communication between the two parties. I personally feel that this system cannot make for a sustainable one (not in the long run), not with so many others in line for their unique and I really hope other diaternals don’t go through what I had to go through, particularly with the huge lapse in discussions. Its important to have the supporter be actively involved, not feel cast aside and not have to chase the design team for updates. Hopefully the process (which during my time was still being improved upon) becomes better for future diaternals. While I would’ve loved to have debate with the design and balance team like a developer, working around time constraints and e-mail make this a difficult task for both them and us. Ultimately, I think Nick did the best he could (which is still a fantastic job) and while its not the ideal unique I would’ve liked to see make it into the game, I’m really pleased with how it turned out and I hope everyone else who gets their hands on one is too. (If not, at least it’ll make a sick skin transfer when it gets its particle effects.) -Lyralei Last edited by Lyralei#5969 on Aug 21, 2014, 9:52:25 PM
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k now you can post.
Last edited by Lyralei#5969 on Aug 21, 2014, 9:52:41 PM
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The design process gets more complicated the more you pour yourself into it.
Interesting conslusions. I can't say i love the uniques that players make, since most of them feel uninspired and this one fails to escape that predicament. I particularly hate the last mod on it and the general principle behind a mod like that. To the designer : A valiant effort, a great persona accomplishment! You are now part of the poe tapestry forever. I applaud your contributions in the monetary sector, you make PoE possible and i thank you for that. cheers! Last edited by Malazans#6908 on Aug 22, 2014, 10:16:32 AM
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Gratz on the unique and amazed by the thought you put in to it. I was really exited reading it till I got to the point were it became a sword. I personally would loved to see that chest considering the amount of rangers that are playing with tornado shot, including myself.
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I give kudos to those who go through this process.
Need to start collection for when it gets nerfed. † You were a good man in a bad situation, Fairgraves. †
See what I am currently after here: 1767138 Thanks Chris! 2797098 |
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Thanks for sharing, love reading these.
When I kill a man he stays dead.
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I need to go through this much more thoroughly, but my initial impression -- damn, I really need to learn to use colours in my longer posts.
https://linktr.ee/wjameschan -- everything I've ever done worth talking about, and even that is debatable.
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I appreciate the effort you put into this Lyralei, and plan on dual-wielding two of these this league! :D
Overall 10/10 for doing what a true unique should do --- filling a niche otherwise unfilled. Ign: TheMidgetCow (Level 88.8 CI Leapslam Templar --- Default)
TheMidgetCowAmbush (Level 91.7 Buzzsaw Ranger --- Ambush) TheMidgetCowBurns (Level X LowLife RF Scion --- Ambush) http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/348309/page/1 --- Legacy Guide to CI Leapslam Templar |
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