Converted damage question - Avatar of Fire
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I have a question regarding how certain skills and avatar of fire interact, which happens first, etc....
For example, using a 100 damage physical bow, what is the damage break down (no other modifiers to keep it simple): 1. Using lightning arrow and Avatar of Fire. 2. Using burning arrow and Avatar of Fire. 3. a) Ice arrow + Avatar of fire b) Ice arrow + cold to fire + Avatar of fire Also another random question, does thorns damage from gear proc and injure mobs when you block? Thanks! |
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1) 50 Fire Damage
2) 80 Fire Damage 3a) 50 Fire Damage (the cone effect would also do 50 Fire Damage) 3b) 70 Fire Damage (the cone effect would do 100 Fire Damage) *Any Cold to Fire above Level 6 would accomplish the same PS. Why don't you throw in a to REALLY make things interesting? ~.^ You can even roll a '17% of Physical Damage is Converted to Fire Damage' Corrupted Implicit Mod on a Quiver using a Vaal Orb.. PSS. Conversion happens at the same time, never exceeding 100% Conversion, but the Conversion on a Skill Gem takes precedence in cases where it goes above 100% and the rest is scaled down. EA IGN: Man_Screams_At_Skeleton Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
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Thanks for the response, I see it's really quite simple.
I suppose Burning arrow + Black Gleam + Avatar of fire would do the most fire damage (125 with the above example?), however ice shot has the cool cone effect and perhaps the Cold to Fire quality bonus would add a little bit more too. I wouldn't use blackgleam with ice shot either, perhaps allowing a more powerful quiver. Any idea on thorns? |
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" " LA Converts 50% Physical to Lightning, AoF Converts 50% to Fire and 50% Lightning to Fire. Phys to Fire = 100 * 0.5 = 50 Phys to Lightning to Fire = 100 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 25 75 Fire Damage Similarly, the direct hit on Ice Shot deals 70 Fire Damage (100 * 0.4 * 0.5 from Ice Shot, 100 * 0.5 from AoF). The cone does deal only 50 Fire Damage because, as mentioned, the Skill's Conversion takes precedence. With a 50% Cold to Fire Gem (any higher is pointless with AoF), the Ice Shot arrow deals 90 Fire Damage. 40% Phys to Cold, 100% Cold to Fire, 50% Phys to Fire 100 * 0.4 * 1 + 100 * 0.5 = 90 --------- I believe Thorns triggers on any Hit - Blocked Attacks still Hit. 'course, Thorns mods are so shit nobody really cares so who knows! :P Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:26:11 AM
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" As for the Thorns, I haven't the lightest... EA IGN: Man_Screams_At_Skeleton Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
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He's correct with 125. 50+45% Phys to Fire and 30% Phys added as Fire:
100 * 0.95 + 100 * 0.3 = 125 |
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Ah Viper I see what you did there. I think yes it should do the damage as you say due to the 50% phys and 50% element. Also we didn't take into consideration the 70% damage effectiveness of lightning arrow?
With lightning arrow is it only the lightning damage that bounces or is it the whole thing (ie the phys + any other modifiers, in this case fire damage)? Last edited by Maeldun#5223 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:36:19 AM
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Damn, I made that same mistake involving Conversion and LA again didn't I? >_<
Yeah, that LA always tricks me up.. EA IGN: Man_Screams_At_Skeleton Last edited by Sheriff_K#3938 on Mar 21, 2014, 11:44:27 AM
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" Oooh, yes, that's also a thing. I haven't used Lightning Arrow in forever, so I forgot. Damage Effectiveness for Attack Skills. It's weird! The additional targets are hit by the same Attack; if your initial hit deals 50-100 Fire Damage, so does the 'bounce'. ------- Yes, you did :P |
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Damage conversion is a tricky subject, but here's how I think it would work on that straight 100 physical damage attack:
Edit: It's basically what Vipermagi said above. 1. Using lightning arrow and Avatar of Fire.
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(Damage effectiveness only affects added damage, I think.) -50% of the physical damage is converted into lightning damage by LA: 50 lightning damage -50% of the physical damage is converted into fire damage by AoF: 50 fire damage -50% of the converted lightning damage is converted into fire by AoF: 25 fire damage/25 lightning damage Total: 75 fire damage (and 25 lightning damage that is lost) 2. Using burning arrow and Avatar of Fire.
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-30% of the physical damage is added on as fire by BA: 30 fire damage -50% of the physical damage is converted into fire damage by AoF: 50 fire damage Total: 80 fire damage (and 50 physical that is lost) 3. a) Ice arrow + Avatar of fire
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Hit: -40% of the physical damage is converted into cold by IA: 40 cold damage/10 physical -50% of the physical damage is converted into fire by AoF: 50 fire damage -50% of the converted cold damage is converted into fire by AoF: 20 fire damage/20 cold damage Total: 70 fire damage (and 10 physical and 20 cold that is lost) AoE: -100% of the physical damage is converted into cold by IA: 100 cold damage -50% of the converted cold damage is converted into fire by AoF: 50 fire damage/50 cold damage Total: 50 fire damage (and 50 cold that is lost) b) Ice arrow + cold to fire + Avatar of fire
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Hit: -40% of the physical damage is converted into cold by IA: 40 cold damage/10 physical -50% of the physical damage is converted into fire by AoF: 50 fire damage -100% of the converted cold damage is converted into fire by AoF + Cold to Fire: 40 fire damage Total: 90 fire damage (and 10 physical lost) AoE: -100% of the physical damage is converted into cold by IA: 100 cold damage -100% of the converted cold damage is converted into fire by AoF + Cold to Fire: 100 fire damage Total: 100 fire damage (and no loss) Last edited by Zadmeir#3176 on Mar 21, 2014, 6:30:34 PM
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