{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

as snapshotting is going to be fixed soon(tm) i was thinking about alternatives to let those minions stay awesome and was setting my eyes on chober chaber as it seems perfect for zombies. we all know what this mallet does, but for good measure i ran some calculations with the zombie dps calculator and compared a 2+ mlvl helmet to a 6 linked chober.

basic setup was RZ - melee phys - multistrike - faster attacks and for a 6 link cober i added splash (because melee gem and insane pack clear) and empower (to replace the lost mlvl without the helmet)

turns out (oh what a surprise!) 6 links are better than 4 but there are of course more factors to be considered:

pro cober:
6 linked zombies!
+glvl for good support gems
tankier zombies from cober and even more so if you decide to link minion life
+ ~800 dps per zombie + splash (using given setup)
you can get a helmet with another prefix than +2 mlvl

contra cober:
no shield!
rules out some neat weapon options (eg. aurumvorax)
can mess up gem setup if 2 3link are better for you than a 6link

my question is now:
do you guys think the 6link setup for zombies along with the +1 glvl for minion and important support gems can make up for the lost shield in a world without snapshotting?

No...chober will become vendor trash as opposed to 1c unique when snapshot will be fixed, not a big difference lol.

The biggest argument against it is that when you will have to have all gems linked and be able to resummon at will, your own survivalability will be far far more important than even now, as it will stop being directly linked with survivalability of summons.

When you think about it NA will be useless, as it will only be worth it for spectres and even that assuming that the ywon't be changed (unlikely) or if you are using evangelists who do not need it at all. Well maybe at atziri they do, never did it, so can't somment on that.


That is why I am sad as my 6L chober will just gather dust, unless I will try and build a gimped Dominating Blow character (how could someone think that a weapon with such low damage can be a good thing for that skill is beyond me).

How are things going to work when snap is fixed, can you still 6L chest/buff weps as long as you leave the RZ/RS gem in the item you summoned them in? Then move out all the support gems for others? Or do I have to leave all the gems in place? The latter would be a bummer.

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HeisenbergBlue wrote:

How are things going to work when snap is fixed, can you still 6L chest/buff weps as long as you leave the RZ/RS gem in the item you summoned them in? Then move out all the support gems for others? Or do I have to leave all the gems in place? The latter would be a bummer.

the point in fixing snapshot is to prevent us from doing exactly that (swap supports after summons), and plz dont come with "would be a bummer", why sould we summoners be able to do what other builds can't?.

yes i do snapshot, and yes i am in favor of it's fix

I guess time will tell, I move my RZ gem into 3separate items to snap everything sometimes...messed up. 6L weapon snapping 6L chest snapping into entirely different items is probably doomed, I'm holding out hope that you can still switch out supports after you raise. Cool that you are super enthusiastic about being nerfed GGG kicking you in your nuts and you'll be like...wasn't so bad...may I have another?

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HeisenbergBlue wrote:

I guess time will tell, I move my RZ gem into 3separate items to snap everything sometimes...messed up. 6L weapon snapping 6L chest snapping into entirely different items is probably doomed, I'm holding out hope that you can still switch out supports after you raise. Cool that you are super enthusiastic about being nerfed GGG kicking you in your nuts and you'll be like...wasn't so bad...may I have another?

plz tell me how can a bug fix be a nerf

^^^ Semantics. If they fix the bug and summoners end up...lesser than we are now, I will call it a nerf. You call it whatever you wish. I am enjoying my lolipop right now, GGG is going to be like that lolipop was unintended bug, gimme that lolipop...yes I'm going to cry.

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RicardoMaceil wrote:

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HeisenbergBlue wrote:

I guess time will tell, I move my RZ gem into 3separate items to snap everything sometimes...messed up. 6L weapon snapping 6L chest snapping into entirely different items is probably doomed, I'm holding out hope that you can still switch out supports after you raise. Cool that you are super enthusiastic about being nerfed GGG kicking you in your nuts and you'll be like...wasn't so bad...may I have another?

plz tell me how can a bug fix be a nerf

Easy. We were robbed of 2 best spectres because GGG was building the game around this supposed bug. Despite getting minion scentric update, the main problem of summoner was not fixed - scaling past max lvl gems. Once snapshot is fixed summoner might go back to open beta state (when I started) of safe but boring slow clearing build. I still remember people discouraging me from trying summoner - saying that it will bore you to death with its slow clearing speed. I do not want to get back to that.

But I do hope that this fix will finally bring to light what GGG tried so desperately not to see - that main problem that I mentioned. So something good may actually come out of it, the problem is it will like the limbo period between smoke mine nerf and convocation release only far longer and on a larger scale.

If they nerf snapshot i will have to buy 100 regrets or new character
even now with snapshotting summoners have lowest dps in game.

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Asmodeiuss wrote:

even now with snapshotting summoners have lowest dps in game.

what Oo... I guess your build is quite broken somewhere to say that...
Clear speed with summoner with 6L zombies and Evangelists is very high ( not as high as a wanderer for sure, but better than many other builds )