Trial of Chaos suggestions

Hey GGG!

Regarding ascension trials, I believe it would be really easy to make Chaos a bit more enjoyable by implementing the following changes:

-Remove the escort the statue maps completely - its hilariously long, slow and super boring, just makes these trials longer without any sort of challange/joy.
-The altars that summons mobs, this should work exactly like the hourglass in Sekhemas -> summoning rares and by killing them you chunk off a significant part of the timer. As currently, the timer is 1.5 minutes and you have to wait to kill 10 mobs every few seconds, which is just plain boring without a challange.


I think other than this, the rest of the trial is fairly enjoyable (although the collect soulcores thingy can be tedious as well, but if the above two can be fixed it doesn't matter too much)

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Asufnibol#6059 wrote:

Hey GGG!

Regarding ascension trials, I believe it would be really easy to make Chaos a bit more enjoyable by implementing the following changes:

-Remove the escort the statue maps completely - its hilariously long, slow and super boring, just makes these trials longer without any sort of challange/joy.
-The altars that summons mobs, this should work exactly like the hourglass in Sekhemas -> summoning rares and by killing them you chunk off a significant part of the timer. As currently, the timer is 1.5 minutes and you have to wait to kill 10 mobs every few seconds, which is just plain boring without a challange.


I think other than this, the rest of the trial is fairly enjoyable (although the collect soulcores thingy can be tedious as well, but if the above two can be fixed it doesn't matter too much)

Oddly I like the grab the soul cores maps as they feel (?) less "RIPpie" as the player is in control of where they want to go and when.

I've just farmed 50+ 10 trial ultimatums in a row and here are some thoughts!

Overall I like the Chaos Trials and think they're a far more interesting expression of the roguelike system than the Sekhema trials. It feels like the player has more agency when it comes to the difficulty modifiers, and the modifiers themselves are in general interesting to deal with and make for more engaging gameplay without being just stupdily frustrating like some of the Sekhema effects.

**Rooms**

- Survive Until the Timer Expires: Monsters spawn painfully slowly, and almost 100% of the time, when they do spawn, it is just 2 packs of white monsters that you kill in a second or two and then just stand around doing nothing waiting for something to do.

By far the worst room, you can't speed this process up in any way by either character power or player skill, and it is pretty much an afk room. Monsters need to spawn much faster, and killing rares (at least, or maybe just killing anything) should subtract seconds from the timer. OR at least give the player something else to do while waiting around.

- Sacrifice Enemies In Blood Circles: Similar to the above, monsters spawn very slowly and are almost always white monsters, resulting in a lot of standing around waiting and doing nothing.

- Collect The Soul Cores: If you get pushed by a monster while putting the Soul Core into the altar, you DROP the soul core and the Soul Core gets teleported back to it's original spot on the floor, meaning you need to go back and pick it up again and insert it again. This is very frustrating and time wasting, especially as it can't be prevented by clearing out monsters near the altars, since more can and do spawn and then charge into you causing this issue. Presumably this is just a bug and not an intentional design.

Some of the soul core room layouts are definitely pretty tedious, and I often find my approach to this room is just running back and forth between cores and altars ignoring monsters as much as possible to get it done quicker. Least favourite room after the AFK room.

Suggestions to make these more interesting: Get rid of the switches and wall puzzles, they're not engaging, just annoying and cause more waiting and walking. Instead why not have each soul core guarded/held by a mini boss, so that there is some actual gameplay in these rooms, would make collecting the cores much more engaging than just running past everything and clicking on them.

**General**

- Downtime: Definitely too much pointless walking/waiting between the trials. Between the elevators, the stone doors, the time stops, and the sometimes very long hallways, I feel like at least half my time in a run is spent just getting to the next encounter. This does not make for engaging gameplay and seems like it should be very easy to improve, this is one area where Sekhema does it better.

- Where Are the Rares?: In many runs it seems like there are zero to very few magic or rare monsters, even when selecting the Lethal Rares modifier, I often run into 3 or less rare monsters over an ENTIRE run. I guess 30% of zero is still zero... Regardless, one shotting sparse packs of white monsters and an occasional magic pack isn't particularly engaging. Perhaps pack size and magic/rare monsters should increase with each modifier you select as a baseline.

- Endgame Scalability: This might be an unpopular opinion, but whereas Sekhema trials feel painfully long and tedious, Chaos Trials often feel very short. This is not a problem/criticism, having content like this that you can jump into for 10-15 minutes is a positive. But I think the Chaos Trial formula could also lend itself well to a more 'infinite' system, where you can keep progressing and stacking more difficulty modifiers until you die or cash out.

Or at least perhaps have Ultimatums with more rooms, 15, 20 etc. Since in Sekhema you're already going through dozens of rooms per run, this doesn't seem too crazy. Perhaps you can use currencies on Ultimatums like you can with Waystones, which increase the room count and give various modifiers to the run. This again doesn't seem too wild since the Trialmaster can already drop Ultimatums with various rarities and modifiers.

Perhaps have a modifier that increases the area level of the rest of the run, or maybe every X rooms, or when you defeat a boss, the rest of the run gets +1 to area level.

These options would provide some extra endgame scalability to the runs so that they can still provide an element of challenge and interest for powerful characters.

- More Difficulty Modifiers!: The current pool of difficulty modifiers is fine, but can get stale pretty quickly if you are doing a lot of runs. It would be awesome to see the pool expanded so that you are less likely to get runs where you are just choosing the same 3-5 that your build can deal with easily. I think this would increase the replayability significantly.

- Heart Tethers: Unable to use travel skills while tethered (only tested with Leap Slam and Stampede). Is this intentional or a bug? Means that if your clear skill/s are also travel skills you can't use them and thus cannot choose to stay in the heart tether and fight if you don't want to get stunned, and also have to try and walk/roll out of it while getting attacked and not being able to use your abilities. If this is an intentional extra challenge that's fine I guess, but it is very counterintuitive and is not indicated in the description of the Heart Tether modifier.

- Rewards: Having all the rewards be corrupted, while a thematically fun idea, in practice makes these rewards pretty much useless. In 50+ runs I have never seen even a vaguely usable item from the non-soul core loot. As others have said, if they are going to be corrupted they could at least have max quality, sockets, and affixes. Even so the majority would still be vendor/salvage trash, so I don't see how this would be too good.

- Chimera Boss: The flying off is not an interesting mechanic, it's just annoying, and due to the size and verticality of the arena, means that if you don't kill it before it flies off, you spend more time walking around to find the boss than you do fighting the boss. I don't think I need to elaborate on why this does not make for engaging gameplay.

**Overall**
Chaos Trials are probably my favourite endgame activity, I hope to see them refined and expanded on in the future.

For reference: Lvl 93 Titan.

Thank you for reading and have a great day Exiles.

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Asufnibol#6059 wrote:

Hey GGG!

Regarding ascension trials, I believe it would be really easy to make Chaos a bit more enjoyable by implementing the following changes:

-Remove the escort the statue maps completely - its hilariously long, slow and super boring, just makes these trials longer without any sort of challange/joy.
-The altars that summons mobs, this should work exactly like the hourglass in Sekhemas -> summoning rares and by killing them you chunk off a significant part of the timer. As currently, the timer is 1.5 minutes and you have to wait to kill 10 mobs every few seconds, which is just plain boring without a challange.


I think other than this, the rest of the trial is fairly enjoyable (although the collect soulcores thingy can be tedious as well, but if the above two can be fixed it doesn't matter too much)

Best suggestion for ascendancy trials:

Remove them as ascendancy trials.


That's it. That's the suggestion.

An "ascendancy trial" should test the player based on the class/ascendancy they are trying to unlock or progress in. One-size-fits-all content like a trial everyone has to do is just lazy filler content. Especially evident by the fact that RNG has a great deal of influence on the outcome.

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Aggedon#4911 wrote:

White knight shill stuff here

So you're just spamming this all over the forum then? That's your plan to get people to believe you? LoL.

I'm a bit confused as to how posting a list of constructive criticism constitutes "white knight shill stuff", but no matter.

I've replied to a few relevant threads with this feedback to increase visibility and possibility of constructive discussion. I don't typically post on forums, the PoE2 early access has been my first foray into it, if it's considered bad practice to reply to multiple threads about the same topic then my apologies.

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Aggedon#4911 wrote:

I'm a bit confused as to how posting a list of constructive criticism constitutes "white knight shill stuff", but no matter.

I've replied to a few relevant threads with this feedback to increase visibility and possibility of constructive discussion. I don't typically post on forums, the PoE2 early access has been my first foray into it, if it's considered bad practice to reply to multiple threads about the same topic then my apologies.

It's obvious the trials are amazingly underthought and horribly overtuned, not to mention have nothing whatsoever to do with ascending which is their ONLY point of existence.

But, yes to address the issue itself, spamming over and over is annoying.

Fair enough, I just figured it made sense to post the same feedback to relevant discussions about the same topic since there are many threads about the same topic, I didn't find anything saying it was against the forum policy etc.