Prefix and Suffix Order

How difficult would it be to have rare items mods in order:

Prefix
Prefix
Prefix
Suffix
Suffix
Suffix

instead of the current system until I hold alt. What even is the current system? Attributes seem to be at the top even though they are suffixes.

(It's fine if the craft(s) stay at the bottom)
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This is a great suggestion that has been made time and time again, but as I understand it unfortunately this is something that isn't really possible. Mark, the senior gameplay programmer, has commented on this here.

Here's his response:

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No, this is not possible, because only one of those images has an order for the mods. The regular view has an order for the stat descriptions, which are a substantially different thing.

For a simplified example, it's like having a bunch of people in cars. Some cars contain a whole family, some contain just one person. You can take everyone out of the cars and order all the people by height (stat descriptions), but they're no longer in the cars. Or you can just go down the road listing each car, and note by that all the people in that car (mod descritptions). It's not possible to keep the order of the people the same between both things - the advanced display is fundamentally doing a very different operation where it's listing the mods, in an order determined by the mods. Then for each mod in that list it lists the mod's stats. The regular view, by contrast gets all the stats out of the mod so it can order them all compared to each other as a whole.

The actual systems involved are more complicated - there isn't actually any order for stats, but the act of describing them results in the descriptions being outputted in a consistant order, but this doesn't mean you can look at a stat and know where it should be in the list. But the basis of it all is that those two things must necessarily do different things because they're not even looking at the same information.

It's unfortunate that uniques in particular end up with cases like this one as a result, and I'd like it if we could find time to review all the data the game uses to create unique items and change it so the order the mods are put into the items is closer to the order the item's stat descriptions would put the stats from those mods, but that would take someone a bunch of time (and someone else a bunch of double-checking because it would be easy to screw up some uniques in the process) and it still couldn't do anything for existing items, because those mods are already there on the item in a specific order. It's simply a better use of time to have people working on mroe impactful changes than that one.


Just wanted to share this interesting dive into how this works!
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In all seriousness, it cannot be that hard.

You already sort descriptions, and you have information about suffix/prefix. That means you can get this information for basic preview, and use it for sorting.

Even if you sort via string, just add 2 different labels. One internal for sorting one external for display...

Take advanced display as internal for sort and you are done. Seriously, this cannot be that hard, that someone cannot take 2 hours to figure this out.
Last edited by JC_GGG on Sep 16, 2023, 10:16:40 AM
Typically when someone responds with THAT many words to a rather simple question...they are blowing mostly smoke. He says its more complex...but I just don't buy that. If they are looking at two totally different sets of data...change it so they look at both.

What he is describing, even via that analogy, makes no sense. You absolutely CAN order BOTH situations in the same way. If that means you change how the initial programming does it...then you do that. It's not "impossible" because they simply don't want to do it. And if its indeed because one of the images has a "different" ordering system...add a line to that different system. You can order something by two rules, its done all the time.

And then to further the disconnect and waffle, he mentions Uniques. Uniques don't really have prefixes and suffixes to begin with, nor do they matter. Unique items are unique BECAUSE they have a specific order/set of mods. That has zero bearing on this question / problem.
Last edited by jsuslak313 on Sep 16, 2023, 12:07:12 PM
It would be simple to make an option. I would want it to show Prefixes, Separator, Suffixes. And I dont care if mods are not accumulated - I dont want mods to be accumulated anyway.
No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
Not to argue with the brain trust at GGG. I think the engine is limited in this regard, But they can just change it. They don't feel like it, too much time, resources, effort. Whatever. They still can't fix the performance issues from years ago let alone what they reintroduced last month.

Good luck guys.

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