How can I make EB / MoM feel good?

I have league started with Zizaran's cold dot Hierophant, and it is my first time trying to use EB and MoM together, and I really struggle with it. I am constantly getting chunked to 0 ES, and I cant cast spells or even use movement skill. I just run around like an idiot and die.

It was fine in the campaign, but in maps almost every dangerous situation will put me in this position.

I have tried using discipline, and even took the spell leech nodes by ghost dancer, but since that is just from hits, it's no good.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. My character is public, and it is in SSF so I cant buy some fancy unique to fix it :(
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Most ppl going MoM/EB get away with it by using Devouring Diadem and constantly refilling es bypassing recharge delay completely.

Also, discipline isn't going to save you. In order to make discipline work like say, Clarity does, you'd have to run a level 28 discipline or something. Look again at the build and see what auras he's using.

You simply have to not get hit, and your spells and reservations have to be as close to 0 as possible.

They're going all-in on rmr with charisma, sovereignty, leadership, reduced skill costs, crafted elreon rings, etc.

They're also going Grace/Determination and Instinct/ES on block so that they are not getting hit, and if they are, it's small and they get back at least as much ES as they would have lost.

Using it with a skill like Vortex isn't the same as using it with a skill that lets you stay a safe distance from the enemy. Squishy? Consider using Astral Proj or applying shit with arcanist brand, mines, traps, or totems. Standing next to guys and farting out a cloud of cold fits better with armour stackers or CI multicurse Aegis Melding Incandescent Heart abusers.
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thanks for the reply. I just stepped into maps so I pretty much have fixed my resists and nothing else so far. I think evasion is the key here, but the build makes no mention of it, and since im mostly using blue and red gems, I have no evasion at all.

Its strange, I often use zizaran's builds since most people dont make builds for ssf, and have been happy with them so far, but this one really lacks the normal effort to explain the mechanics of EB + MoM at all, so I am just trying to figure it out myself.

I really enjoyed cold dot trickster in ruthless, so I wanted to try it again in SSF, but I may try to switch to wintertide brand instead and not use MoM. For now I am going to spec out of the main MoM node and just use the 10% from hierophant, and see how that goes.
I guess it's about issues on the build progression, not the build mechanics or your skill.

In the first place, we need more ES for EB/MoM build.

EB turns "ES recharge" (not ES regeneration via "Zealot Oath") mechanics into a quick and constant refilling mana pool.
By default, it's "33.3% of Energy Shield" recharged per second. So higher the amount of ES, ES is recharging more and sustaining our effective life pool higher.

Discipline does matter in your situation since you don't have much space to adjust in gears for now.

Also you still haven't learned "Sanctuary of Thought" (50% less mana cost) but it shouldn't be a fatal cause as long as you can control the damage you take.

Merciless Labyrinth is always a good training ground for the character who is stepping further into mapping. (drop is over-tuned and the difficulty is constant.)
If you don't feel the damage you take comfortable at Lab, you can try your favorite un-modified Tier 1 maps or even Act 10 maps. (unless your build requires the specific item mods which only appears in higher tiers such like around ilvl 75, 80 or even higher, it doesn't make huge difference if you farm lv.65~68 maps.)
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Last edited by finisterre#5659 on Aug 19, 2023, 9:40:46 PM
I had no issues in merc lab or any of the campaign, but as soon as I stepped into maps the character isnt functioning at all. My gear is trash sure, but I am used to this in ssf, as I gear up in white maps usually. I am usually playing elementalist which is much squishier in theory, and I feel surviveable enough, its just being unable to cast that is the problem.

I have unspecced the main MoM node, and it is easier, but in content like breach or ritual, it is immediate 0ES, I think I will have to unspec EB and try to use my mana instead for now, until I farm some better gear and try again.
well i removed EB and build feels completely fine. I guess I just need to farm some gear before it will work.
Glad to hear that you saw the progression yourself.

I guess an obvious cause of the difficulty gap is the physical damage and its defense mechanics.

Base damage of a monster is based on monster's level = map level.
As you might know, armor in PoE works as if there are threshold. (there is no problem or at least manageable with the damage under the threshold.)

Evasion vs accuracy shares the same structure while monsters can not penetrate resistances regardless of the level.
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