How to calculate a weapons damage? [solved]

I never understood how to value weapons i find.
This league i played a Bow Build for the first time and every streamer said:
get a weapon witt 800-1000 Elemental DPS.
Nothing else matters.

Now im looking for a better weapon for my current build.
Found one with 25% more dps than replica dreamfeather.
It has 80 Phys damage. Eighty.

I have few weapons with 3 or even 4 Shaper mods but very little dps.
Never knew if they are worthless because they have very little inherent dps or if they are insane valuable because of the mods.
Poe Trade often shows nothing because of the combinations.

Whats a good guidline here?

For most builds, if you're hitting with a weapon, that weapon needs to have good DPS. Specifically, it needs to have either good Physical DPS (pDPS) or Elemental DPS (eDPS).

You calculate this by looking at the top of the weapon, above the implicit. Let's use this (very) good bow as an example: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmf8gnjry2zk31.png

Up the top, you can see that it has 288 to 627 physical damage, and 1.53 attacks per second. To find the pDPS of this bow, you take the average physical damage it deals ( = (288 + 627)/2 = 452.5 ), and multiply it by the attack speed; 452.5*1.53 = 692.3 pDPS.

For elemental bows, you do the same thing, except you add up all the averages of the three elemental damage types before multiplying by the attack speed. Ignore the physical damage, since elemental bowyers don't care about that.

Regarding the shaper mods: since the bow's DPS is the most important stat (again, usually), having lots of shaper mods actually decreases the chance that it will be a good bow. Feel free to link one or send a screenshot and I will tell you for sure.

Thank you for your effort


I understand how bows work in general.
You have your base attack on the weapon, and multiplikators on Tree or gear.
Easy as that.

But how about this one?



That looks great to me.
Combined with The Squire you have a 9 to 10 Link Weapon, right?

But nobody seems to want it.
So how do i figure out if its worth plenty Divines or if its just useless Garbage?

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LoTharios wrote:

So how do i figure out if its worth plenty Divines or if its just useless Garbage?

Click the "copy to clipboard button", open PoB, go to items section, click "create custom" item, paste the copied item and equip it.

If the numbers go up and you are willing to pay the price, its good ;)

yeah i know it that way.
But not the other way around.

This is my weapon so i dont know in which build it would fit.
Is just assume that its pretty dope based on its mods.

But it coroded in my stash for many months.
I just like to know how ich price it realistic.

Its not good at all.

The base dmg is waaayyy to low for any atk based build.
Doesnt matter how many additional gems you could link to it, its still not good.

So this could only serve as a caster weapon.
There isnt much on this weapon thats interesting for casters or couldnt be gained otherwise. I wouldnt even know which skill to use to begin with.
There isnt much synergy going on.

Breaks my heart... i probably would need only half of my stash tabs if i knew what is worth selling. Thx as always Grandmaster O.

Anyway, life must go on.

Maybe you can reduce my pain by helping me understand why i lose dps by dropping my Watchers Eye, when i already have way over 100% of phys converted?
(I obv dont use Anger)




Or can i in fact convert more than 100%?

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LoTharios wrote:

Maybe you can reduce my pain by helping me understand why i lose dps by dropping my Watchers Eye, when i already have way over 100% of phys converted?

Or can i in fact convert more than 100%?

Wiki:

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Gained as extra

This modifier does not replace the original damage, instead it takes a portion of the damage and adds it to the total as a different damage type. Damage added in this way can exceed 100% of the source damage type, and does not need to be scaled.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_conversion

PoB adds the conversion from "is converted to" and "gained as extra" together. The "is converted to" still has a cap in the background.

POB is throwing "convert phys to element" and "gain phys as extra element" both into the same category of "conversion" which is technically correct but can be confusing. You have 40% conversion from tree, 3x from gloves and 3x from watchers eye as well as a bunch of gain as element all of that leads to the 19x conversion he shows. If you remove that watchers eye your physical damage will no longer be 100% converted, a part of it will be left as physical missing out on multipliers so your damage goes down. "Gain as element" modifiers don't convert your phys damage, they just use it as a base to calculate the elemental damage they add.

I should read more...

Thank you!