anomalous maim, does maim effect increase the damage taken ?

as in the title, i just want to know how does maim effect interract with the "maimed enemies take 10% incrased damage taken% part as i can't find an answer on google.

No, it only applies to the effect of the Maim debuff itself. Maim doesn't inherently increase damage taken--that's an effect added by the support gem or other sources.

At 20q, Anomalous Maim will reduce maimed enemies movement speed by 36% instead of 30%. That's all the quality does.

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aggromagnet wrote:

No, it only applies to the effect of the Maim debuff itself. Maim doesn't inherently increase damage taken--that's an effect added by the support gem or other sources.

At 20q, Anomalous Maim will reduce maimed enemies movement speed by 36% instead of 30%. That's all the quality does.

are you sure, as in do you have a source for this ?

i need a source or confirmation, this is poe there are many instances of things working the way this could be. even instances where a gem tag can be "kind of manipulated or altered"

i need a confirmation about this for that reason.

Unless GGG wants to chime in, there is no "source" on something like this besides understanding how things work.

What does the Anomalous quality say it does?
It increases the effect of Maim applied by supported skills by 1% per 1% quality. It explicitly states the effect of Maim, not Maim Support and the other mods it offers.

What does Maim do?
Reduces the movement speed of maimed enemies by 30%.

*shrug*

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aggromagnet wrote:

Unless GGG wants to chime in, there is no "source" on something like this besides understanding how things work.

What does the Anomalous quality say it does?
It increases the effect of Maim applied by supported skills by 1% per 1% quality. It explicitly states the effect of Maim, not Maim Support and the other mods it offers.

What does Maim do?
Reduces the movement speed of maimed enemies by 30%.

*shrug*

by your logic half what we know about poe and is confirmed "if not more" would be irrelevant or incorrect. "shrug"

nightblade is one example, crit multiplier from nightblade GETS TO BENEFIT from elusive effect. it is literally the exact same mechanics in the sense that maim from maim support applies damage taken to enemies, while elusive from nigthblade grants crit multi. difference is it is easy to test nigtblade so ppl are aware of it but impossible to test maim support so we have to ASK the question to know the answer.

so there is no reason why we should assume that both supports are so similar and yet they can't do the same thing.

"shrug" don't act as an elitist, i have probably more experience than you in this game and yet i am asking questions and looking into stuff because i know there is more to learn.

Maim Support has a chance to apply Maim to the enemy. The gem has an additional effect wherein enemies maimed by a supported skill take increased phys damage from all sources.

Maim itself is not causing them to take the increased physical damage. The additional mod on the support gem is. "Supported Attacks have 30% chance to Maim on Hit" and "Enemies Maimed by Supported Skills take 10% increased Physical Damage" are separate effects that don't interact with one another directly. One checks to see if the other is present or not and flags the target as it being present if needed before it will work. They run parallel.

Nightblade applies Elusive to you, and Elusive from Nightblade is modified by the additional modifiers on Nightblade. Thus, increasing the Effect of Elusive granted by Nightblade will carry over to you and any of your skills supported by Nightblade. It's circular.

They're quite different supports.

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zaarakiekenpachi wrote:

"shrug" don't act as an elitist, i have probably more experience than you in this game and yet i am asking questions and looking into stuff because i know there is more to learn.

Wait, who's the elitist here? Lol...

What I said about GGG needing to chime in or there is no source but understanding of things holds true. What, exactly, counts as a confirmed source other than GGG? The Wiki, which is entirely run by players? If I go edit the Wiki right now and add this info to the Maim Support page, will it then be a valid source for you?

I'm sorry I didn't give you the answer you wanted. Maybe someone else will come and give you the one that you do want. Good luck!

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aggromagnet wrote:

Maim Support has a chance to apply Maim to the enemy. The gem has an additional effect wherein enemies maimed by a supported skill take increased phys damage from all sources.

Maim itself is not causing them to take the increased physical damage. The additional mod on the support gem is. "Supported Attacks have 30% chance to Maim on Hit" and "Enemies Maimed by Supported Skills take 10% increased Physical Damage" are separate effects that don't interact with one another directly. One checks to see if the other is present or not and flags the target as it being present if needed before it will work. They run parallel.

Nightblade applies Elusive to you, and Elusive from Nightblade is modified by the additional modifiers on Nightblade. Thus, increasing the Effect of Elusive granted by Nightblade will carry over to you and any of your skills supported by Nightblade. It's circular.

They're quite different supports.

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zaarakiekenpachi wrote:

"shrug" don't act as an elitist, i have probably more experience than you in this game and yet i am asking questions and looking into stuff because i know there is more to learn.

Wait, who's the elitist here? Lol...

What I said about GGG needing to chime in or there is no source but understanding of things holds true. What, exactly, counts as a confirmed source other than GGG? The Wiki, which is entirely run by players? If I go edit the Wiki right now and add this info to the Maim Support page, will it then be a valid source for you?

I'm sorry I didn't give you the answer you wanted. Maybe someone else will come and give you the one that you do want. Good luck!

you are the one who's being an elitist, you keep repeating "understanding how things work" as your logical answer must be right because it makes sense to you and i am just assuming nonsense, then you can explain why would anomalous maim work differently from nightblade for example ?

you can't pull the "cuz that's logic" card here. it is not about me wanting to hear a specific answer, it is about me wanting to hear a solid answer.

i could pull the nightblade example 90 times and come out on top based on your logical answer. which is a problem because it only means we don't actually have one.

i am not attacking you here friend so no worries lets move on, give room to someone who might have found a confirmed info somewhere.

Nightblade:
"Supported Skills have +(0.7-1)% to Critical Strike Chance while Elusive" Modifying supported skills while you have Elusive. It's just an additional effect of the gem that applies to any of your Nightblade-supported skills. This is not scaled by Elusive buff effect on the gem, as it's not part of the Elusive buff that the gem places on you. It's a wholly separate effect of the gem.

"Elusive from Supported Skills also grants +(100-138)% to Critical Strike Multiplier for Skills Supported by Nightblade" Modifying the Elusive buff granted by Nightblade and explicitly giving it an additional effect that Elusive doesn't normally have. This is scaled by Elusive buff effect on the gem, as it is a part of the Elusive buff that the gem places on you.

Maim:
"Enemies Maimed by Supported Skills take 10% increased Physical Damage" Affecting enemies and causing them to take additional physical damage while they're maimed by a supported skill. This is not scaled by Maim buff effect on the gem, as it's not being added to the Maim debuff that the gem applies. Much like the crit chance on Nightblade, it's a wholly separate effect of the gem.

If Maim Support were adding new functionality to Maim itself or fundamentally altering how Maim works, it would say so. Likely something to the effect of "Maim applied by supported skills also causes blah blah blah". It doesn't say anything like that though. Not at all. Nightblade crit multiplier, on the other hand, absolutely does say so. I think in your comparison of the two supports, you're comparing two mods that are quite dissimilar rather than the two mods that are more similar in function.

I'm just trying to help you and answer your original question. GGG is very explicit in their wording, sometimes to the point of being opaque and unclear. I personally don't see any opaqueness about how these gems operate or what effects their quality will have on them.

If this attempt at explaining still isn't clear enough, I hope someone else will come explain it better and more succinctly than I have (or even refute it altogether). Unless it's someone from GGG though (@Mark ...you here?), they still won't have a source other than experience, knowledge and understanding of the game and how things work. Maybe their own, maybe from a friend of a friend. Who knows?

That's just the reality of it. Don't get too hung up on that part of my comments--there is an abundance of information on the Wiki, Reddit, here on these forums, etc that never gets confirmed or denied by GGG. When they opt not to be the source of information, which is often the case, other players is all you've got.

Also, apologies for maybe being too snarky here and there. I've been home alone with just my cat for the last 5 days going through my second bout of COVID. Not overly sick, but definitely bored, stir crazy, and moody!