Do not assume that upvoted Reddit posts is something everyone wants.

Never take anything from that other than "Okay, some people think there's an underlying problem regarding this topic - let's discuss solutions to that problem without reading suggestions."
Some people upvote for the worst reasons, often based on hate, often because they don't explicitly disagree, and often while not having read anything but the title - and often times the actual topic is slightly different from what the title even specifies.

Seriously, be fucking careful with this metric, if you wanna use it at all. Better yet, just figure out the underlying problem and ask around the office or alpha players as for actual opinions.


The lack of overlap between something like Mathil's twitch-chat and Reddit/Forums is absolutely absurd - and Mathil's pulling like 5k people, which is not a small counter argument. Anyone who isn't bored out of their mind should be staying away from the PoE subreddit.


For any Reddit users, consider switching to GGGtracker.com for your PoE updates.

The difference between reddit and here is that there's a lot more unique voices expressing their opinion on things going on. I'd be lying if I said I don't keep running into all of the exact same people when I browse threads here. Even you, OP, are someone I see quite often in the comments of other threads. The feedback section is inhabited almost entirely by regulars.

You don't see that nearly enough on reddit by comparison.

And as much as you may dislike it, upvoted posts and comments is a much better gauge for how people resonate with given feedback. We don't have that in the forum and spamming "+1" in the comments (mostly from regulars) is much more tedious to scroll through looking for responses of similar critique. I think this forum would benefit from an upvoting system.

I'm fine with the idea that everyone should have a voice. Reddit, youtubers, streamers, forum topics.

People just have to understand that every idea is also up to criticism.

GGG isnt afraid of new changes even if that pisses of some part of the community(new rare mods are a good example) and that is good. If they implement a change suggested by a reddit post, i'm fine with that.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

The difference between reddit and here is that there's a lot more unique voices expressing their opinion on things going on. I'd be lying if I said I don't keep running into all of the exact same people when I browse threads here. Even you, OP, are someone I see quite often in the comments of other threads. The feedback section is inhabited almost entirely by regulars.

You don't see that nearly enough on reddit by comparison.

And as much as you may dislike it, upvoted posts and comments is a much better gauge for how people resonate with given feedback. We don't have that in the forum and spamming "+1" in the comments (mostly from regulars) is much more tedious to scroll through looking for responses of similar critique. I think this forum would benefit from an upvoting system.

Two points:

1) maybe we'd see more unique voices here if GGG endorsed/improved/actually used their own forum rather than take the easy way out and use reddit -- which, technically, they're not supposed to do too much since Reddit is meant to be fan-operated and unaffected by developer bias, although that 'rule' is primarily about moderation positions; it's fine for a CM to use a game's subreddit to communicate to the players, but I don't think a lead dev or managing director should be posting there very much;

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2) while I love the cream-rising effect of reddit's upvote system overall for those subreddits I do frequent, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for a fairly complicated set-up like PoE. Over the years, I've seen suggestions here get almost no traction from players but get implemented anyway because of the few eyes that did see them, some of them belonged to the devs. Similarly, I've seen some threads grow to well over a hundred pages and go absolutely nowhere. One thing a lot of forum regulars fail to realise, and this is something the OP sort of points towards, is that being moved out of General Discussion into Feedback is not 'killing the thread' -- it's actually putting it somewhere where the devs are more likely to see it, due to GD's faster turnover and lower ratio of quality to trollbaittrash. I'd be willing to bet the devs look more at F&S than GD. That's not to say this is the premier place to make suggestions; we already covered that one, assuming you can somehow get the hivemind behind you -- it only takes a handful of upvotes to get that ball rolling, in my experience...

which brings us to my final point:

As I'm sure you're aware, democracy is lovely when it works, but it can quickly turn into a popularity contest/fanwank when it doesn't, which is more often than not the case in any but the most sophisticated systems. I think there are a lot of other features this forum needs before an upvote system, but I wouldn't outright...er, downvote one.

All moot though -- we're using the same fuckin' forum UI from like, 10 years ago, give or take those cute little badges because the titles became too cumbersome. Unless they have some plans to overhaul this site with PoE 4.0, GGG can be relied upon to use the Path of Exile subreddit as their primary platform beyond daily news (most of which is scheduled and often nothing but mtx pushing) and some tech support.

IN GGG's (sort-of) defence, I do think they understand that upvotes=/=excellent suggestions/feedback, and are more partial to feedback from streamers who do little else but play the game. But I'm an idealist at heart as well, and do believe that a truly excellent feedback post/suggestion will get the upvotes it deserves -- but so will some really awful shit, so really we're back at the idea that maybe upvoting isn't the perfect sorting hat it's meant to be, just another tool to be used and abused.

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Immoteph wrote:

For any Reddit users, consider switching to GGGtracker.com for your PoE updates.

Never saw this site before, thanks.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

As I'm sure you're aware, democracy is lovely when it works, but it can quickly turn into a popularity contest/fanwank when it doesn't, which is more often than not the case in any but the most sophisticated systems.

Yeah, reddit is very hivemind, which like you said, can be great when it works. The really bad thing about reddit is if you have an opinion a few people on the new section dislike, you might as well kiss that thread goodbye, nobody is seeing it. While this forum is archaic, at least everyone is basically able to have the same level of viability for their comment, be it good or bad.

I think since there is no number reward tied to your name(Reddit Karma) here, it does not encourage an echochamber, as much.

We could probably still use some kind of update on the forums, for all 100 of us that use them.

i've been using the forums more recently. i used to post on reddit frequently.

i realize i have my biases, who doesnt?

but the difference between reddit and forums is people on forums at least can see a post by title. there is SOME visibility.

on reddit 90% of my feedback and suggestions are suppressed by downvotes or minimal upvotes.

on reddit not everyone browses by "new". rarely do my suggestions ever see the front page of poe subreddit as there is some form of gatekeeping there.

honestly i have gotten sick of posting anything on reddit and just getting minimal exposure.

thus i have turned to the forums to get heard.

sometimes i may get feedback from forum members which are directly against my posts but thats fine. thats a discussion.

on reddit theres more namecalling and trolls.

hearing chris mention he sees whats visible on reddit is truthfully sad but i can understand his reasoning.

all that said. the game HAS moved towards some of the things that i've asked for. it see it as is a win for me.