is armour stacking mana guardian still a thing?

Memory vault now provides “1% increased armour per 50 mana reserved” instead of gaining flat armour equal to reserved mana.

This seem like a huge nerf lol. Are there better alternatives or is this archetype dead?

For 5k reserved mana we get 100% increased armour instead of 5,000 flat armour.

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pBauzi wrote:

Memory vault now provides “1% increased armour per 50 mana reserved” instead of gaining flat armour equal to reserved mana.

This seem like a huge nerf lol. Are there better alternatives or is this archetype dead?

For 5k reserved mana we get 100% increased armour instead of 5,000 flat armour.

It is nerf and intended because they did the same thing to evasion

You need evasion, to get evasion after the patch
Here you need armor to get armor after the patch



My issue is that 1% is too little, it is fine for it to be % to reward people who already have flat armor but something like 5% would make more sense to me

reserve 5000 mana, get 500% increased armor.

Increases stack do not multiply so it is not broken. and the 10% additional reservation is big deal now that all auras got nerfed as archetype.

where did you see the update at ?

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CAKE wrote:

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pBauzi wrote:

Memory vault now provides “1% increased armour per 50 mana reserved” instead of gaining flat armour equal to reserved mana.

This seem like a huge nerf lol. Are there better alternatives or is this archetype dead?

For 5k reserved mana we get 100% increased armour instead of 5,000 flat armour.

It is nerf and intended because they did the same thing to evasion

You need evasion, to get evasion after the patch
Here you need armor to get armor after the patch



My issue is that 1% is too little, it is fine for it to be % to reward people who already have flat armor but something like 5% would make more sense to me

reserve 5000 mana, get 500% increased armor.

Increases stack do not multiply so it is not broken. and the 10% additional reservation is big deal now that all auras got nerfed as archetype.

but if they do that stacking mana nodes would be beter than stacking armor nodes.
may be if they replace the mod with 1% more armor every 150 mana reserved so its multiplicative of the skill tree % increased armor nodes.

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caboom wrote:

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CAKE wrote:

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pBauzi wrote:

Memory vault now provides “1% increased armour per 50 mana reserved” instead of gaining flat armour equal to reserved mana.

This seem like a huge nerf lol. Are there better alternatives or is this archetype dead?

For 5k reserved mana we get 100% increased armour instead of 5,000 flat armour.

It is nerf and intended because they did the same thing to evasion

You need evasion, to get evasion after the patch
Here you need armor to get armor after the patch



My issue is that 1% is too little, it is fine for it to be % to reward people who already have flat armor but something like 5% would make more sense to me

reserve 5000 mana, get 500% increased armor.

Increases stack do not multiply so it is not broken. and the 10% additional reservation is big deal now that all auras got nerfed as archetype.

but if they do that stacking mana nodes would be beter than stacking armor nodes.
may be if they replace the mod with 1% more armor every 100 mana reserved so its multiplicative of the skill tree % increased armor nodes.

My bad, i did not realize someone actually stacks armor nodes.
This concept is alien to me. What people actually do is to get iron reflexes and scale evasion rating because that is 8 times more efficient on both skill points, gear and jewels. Which gets converted to armor thru this node. (you can also get this notable thru skin of lords which also gives you 100% more defense) and allows for hybrid benefits.
After this people use Replica Dreamfeather, which converts armor in to damage.
My guess is people will do around 50m dps with this in next patch(but well hard to say without patch notes)

Ofcourse % more armor would be great solution too. It would reward both flat and % stacking. But hundreds of % armor increase still are not big deal because real armor stacking is from anything but % armor nodes. (auras, reflexes, jewels, potions) and to have tons of mana you need to sacrifice in other slots.

Replica dreamfeather was pretty bad in a normal build, there were people doing 50m with it but it was hinged entirely on aura abuse as its a struggle to get too far out of 100-200k armour on a regular build

Will that still be possible? I honestly don't know enough about auras post changes to say but using traditional gear replica dreamfeather still won't be broken albeit improved over its previous incarnations for regular use.

Yeah memory vault got slapped, they also slapped formless inferno which was my goto on armour stacking builds I think they wanted to lower the extreme sources of armour frankly.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Replica dreamfeather was pretty bad in a normal build, there were people doing 50m with it but it was hinged entirely on aura abuse as its a struggle to get too far out of 100-200k armour on a regular build

Will that still be possible? I honestly don't know enough about auras post changes to say but using traditional gear replica dreamfeather still won't be broken albeit improved over its previous incarnations for regular use.

Yeah memory vault got slapped, they also slapped formless inferno which was my goto on armour stacking builds I think they wanted to lower the extreme sources of armour frankly.

Determination was actually buffed so if we assume they nerfed PARTY aura and did not completely butcher SOLO aura use then It should still be reasonable to expect anywhere from 10 to 100m dps on end-game builds with RDF.

edit: we will also for sure get new skills n stuff that we do not expect, so as always patch notes will ansfer that. Sometimes new stuff is so broken that it just shotguns billions of dps in any 6link.