One frequently overlooked point in the "evasion vs. dodge" (entropy) debate

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The removal of dodge for attacks and corresponding buff for evasion rating have sparked a lot of discussion here recently. In particular, there have been several threads debating whether or not evasion's "entropy" system (which evenly spaces out hits instead of being entirely random) is actually a good thing.

In fact, I got into an extended debate with another user with an uncompromising belief that (a) 80% evade chance and 50% dodge chance is better "by a long shot" than (b) 90% chance to evade, despite both coming out to 90% chance to avoid being hit and the latter guaranteeing more spaced out hits.

Regardless of your position on entropy vs. pure RNG, there's one tangible difference between evasion and dodge that seems to be absent from these debates:

Evasion has built-in crit avoidance, but dodge does not.

When an enemy hits you with an attack, and it would be a critical strike, a second accuracy check is done to confirm the crit. If the second check fails to roll a hit, you are still hit, but it will not be a crit. Enemy accuracy is checked against your evasion rating, not your dodge chance. This means that, on average, evade chance prevents more damage than an equivalent amount of dodge chance.

Using the above example, yes, both cases result in the same average number of hits taken. However, in case (a), on average one in five crits that get through will actually be a crit. In case (b), one in ten will be a crit.

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SkylerOG wrote:

I’m about 95% sure you’re a GGG employee. The amount of “damage control” posts and proverbial GGG fellatio you do is staggering.

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SkylerOG wrote:

I’m about 95% sure you’re a GGG employee. The amount of “damage control” posts and proverbial GGG fellatio you do is staggering.

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Phrazz wrote:

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SkylerOG wrote:

I’m about 95% sure you’re a GGG employee. The amount of “damage control” posts and proverbial GGG fellatio you do is staggering.

He's actually trying to have a discussion on the matter, instead of being a caveman, going "Nerf BAD. Buffs GOOD. Things I don't understand? NERFS, ergo BAD".

Anyhow, I've mentioned the crit mitigation on evasion in several debates in here. Either people don't know about it, they don't care about it - or they purposely ignore that it's a thing, thinking "crits aren't dangerous", while being one of the most dangerous things in the game in a lot of cases.

I still think that the lack of the dodge layer of defense will suck for a lot of players. But watching the latest Fated Connections podcast, someone said something interesting: While very powerful, full EV+dodge character trains players to ignore dangers, not knowing the dangers are there at all. I don't know if that's a good thing for the game.

But I have a question; we know that EV gear can have Spell Suppression. We know that AR gear can have % reduced physical damage taken. Can hybrid EV/AR gear have both? I actually think that EV/AR hybrids might look very interesting this league, which is about fucking time.

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Phrazz wrote:

But I have a question; we know that EV gear can have Spell Suppression. We know that AR gear can have % reduced physical damage taken. Can hybrid EV/AR gear have both? I actually think that EV/AR hybrids might look very interesting this league, which is about fucking time.

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Exile009 wrote:

Didn't think of that. That is an interesting question indeed. Although I suspect that both of those are suffixes, which is also where a lot of other important mods are situated. There's going to be even more suffix pressure on gear now.

Edit:- Probably yes. Currently AR/EV hybrid chests can have both the %phys dmg reduction from armor pieces, and the %chance to dodge attacks from evasion pieces. They're most likely just gonna replace the dodge mod with spell suppression, which should mean that the hybrid ones also get it.