How much DPS is Ok DPS?

SO, how much DPS should be considered enough as of 3.13? Enough, in a sense that a build with that much dps can clear all content when played by a reasonably skilled player, should not be considered a "glass cannon" and should be able to level to 100 eventually. The dps should also be obtainable on a reasonably modest budget (10 ex?).

As PoE ages, this number (average decent dps) ineviatbly creeps up and up. Where are we now?

You are asking for way too much and offer very little budget and very strict conditions.

The path to level 100 differs greatly to "clear all content". When you are leveling to level 100 you will not be doing all content.

This game is also not about skill, maybe timed HC runs and ladders are, but this game is not about skill generally

To have a build that could clear all content including uber elder and 5-way bosses, could reach 100 while not being glass cannon is not realistic not with 10 EX at least.


EDIT: Sorry if I am coming off as an a$$hole but its the truth :P

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MaxEXA wrote:

You are asking for way too much and offer very little budget and very strict conditions.

The path to level 100 differs greatly to "clear all content". When you are leveling to level 100 you will not be doing all content.

This game is also not about skill, maybe timed HC runs and ladders are, but this game is not about skill generally


Also lol at 10 EX

What's your idea of a reasonable modest budget that an average build should count on achieveing?

And level 100 means that a build must be tanky enough to not get random oneshots in t15 maps, to be able to run a juiced non-delirious Canyon deathless. Any build capable of doing this will eventually hit level 100.

For simple hit based builds i'd say it's around 1,5-2 mio POB DPS. Dot builds can generally get away with less. If you have less than that then some endgame bosses will give you trouble with their ground degens filling the arena making it impossible to end the fight. From my experience this is also very much achievable on any build on ~5 ex budget nowadays.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

For simple hit based builds i'd say it's around 1,5-2 mio POB DPS. Dot builds can generally get away with less. If you have less than that then some endgame bosses will give you trouble with their ground degens filling the arena making it impossible to end the fight. From my experience this is also very much achievable on any build on ~5 ex budget nowadays.

yeah i'd say for hit builds....well i don't really do hit builds because they all feel like trash. but personally i'd say about 3-5 million shaper/sirus DPS for hit builds. as in reality and practical situations, this will probably feel more like 1m real dps since you cannot always stand still and constantly attack/cast for that "dps" uptime.

and i agree DoT you can get away with much less. i'd say a good benchmark for DoT dps is 1 million at least. anything above is better obviously. i like to aim for 2m DPS on my DoT builds.

DoT feels much smoother and you can get away with less because it does damage while you move around, so the damage uptime feels fantastic and smooth compared to hit builds.

sorry if Off-Topic but:

how do i get the dps of my necromancer in pob?

is adding the dps of each skeleton mages x number of skellies
+ dps of zombie x number of zombies
+ dps of spectres X number of spectres ?

character i'd like to have a rough idea of it's Dps is "Desosseuze"
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Vermiflux/characters

Note: NOT taking Vaal skeleton in account cause they are not availaible in arena fights like Maven or Hidden, etc.

1 mill will do pretty much everything... bosses will still feel like boss fights, and ocasionally you will still feel pretty overwhelmed by map mods but generally speaking if you can reach 1 mill or higher your totally fine.

Generally 500k-1mil dps for clear is ok, it's enough to one shot most of the stuff in maps and move on flask speed. But for bosses, you need a bit more to "feel ok".

Boss is another level of dps.

Also take into account of new one shot stuff from new league mechanic and Elderslayer mod, awakening level, etc, make it to 100 is rather related to tanky than dps for normal mapping to 100.

Instead, you can just buy a lot of Beachhead or Maelström of Chaos to level to 100. Or keep doing ez Delve path and have an alt to feed sulphur

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makarsk1 wrote:

SO, how much DPS should be considered enough as of 3.13? Enough, in a sense that a build with that much dps can clear all content when played by a reasonably skilled player, should not be considered a "glass cannon" and should be able to level to 100 eventually. The dps should also be obtainable on a reasonably modest budget (10 ex?).

As PoE ages, this number (average decent dps) ineviatbly creeps up and up. Where are we now?

I don't think you'll be able to find any build in the game that can do 100% delirius or Feared invitations and level up to 100 on a 10 ex budget.
100-200 exalted orbs is a more reasonable budget.

10 ex is enough to do red maps for alot of builds though. But I don't think anyone will reach level 100 on a 10 ex budget. Defenses just aren't enough on such a low budget.
By the time you've reached level 100 you should have farmed a mirror worth of currency.

To answer the question: 200k - 1 million dps is okay on a 10 ex budget I'd say.
Obviously there are outliers where certain specific builds can reach upwards 30 million dps at the same budget. But they're anomalies.
Such super high dps builds will get clapped consistently and have a hard time leveling past 92 though.

Your expectations are unreasonable.