[Suggestion] The Eternal Labyrinth (Access to Trials)

Hello,

I am relatively a new player who is active since 4 leagues or so and I would like to share my thoughts on a, as far as I can see, very wanted/needed QOL.

First of all I would like to say big thanks to whole Path of Exile team. This new Expansion and League rocks! It is simple yet effective and I believe one of the reasons why it's that great is: We can see our OBJECTIVE. We see the reward we want. It's clear to us and we work towards it, in the meantime we even progress our atlas! I believe this clarity impacts us greatly. That being said, I would like to suggest a similar treatment to the Eternal Labyrinth and accessing to the required trials.

As it functions now, maps have a chance to contain a trial. But they are also randomly picked within a pool of 6 trials. This puts too much RNG into progressing/completing trials.

I have used every Zana mission and checked if they contain trial. I even picked the ones with that mode over some maps I didn't complete yet. But so far I am level 87 and I still need 2 trials.

Suggested level of The Eternal Labyrinth is 75. I am 12 level above it and still I do not know if I can find the remaining ones till +90. In my opinion it's a big issue.

I suggest a relatively easy way to overcome this obstacle without you changing too much of how the mechanic works. Could we perhaps use [[Offering to the Goddess]] with a map to force it summon a random trial within the map? This way you can keep it "random" and even if we do 6 maps there is no guarantee. But we can complete every trials we faced and get offerings in order to use them again for a chance to spawn our desired(needed) trial.

Please consider this. I believe it will impact the enjoyment of a huge player base in a positive manner.

Sincerely,




disclaimer: I don't think my solution is a unique one. I believe similar things or even the same thing could have been suggested before.

Sounds like a clunky solution, but better than nothing (used to do something similar way back to get Sacrifice at Midnight fragments).

I would prefer RNG to be weighted towards the trials you are missing, personally, but your solution is clearly better than nothing, and it clearly is an issue that I would like to get addressed.

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Char1983 wrote:

Sounds like a clunky solution, but better than nothing (used to do something similar way back to get Sacrifice at Midnight fragments).

I would prefer RNG to be weighted towards the trials you are missing, personally, but your solution is clearly better than nothing, and it clearly is an issue that I would like to get addressed.

Thank you for replying. Yes, I can accept anything but this huge layers of RNG. If they favor the trials we are missing, it's great. But I guess it can be a lot of work in terms of database management.

Giving a map a new condition when a certain object is placed seemed easier to implement to me. Again, I have absolutely no idea how their coding work.

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

2. Level 87 is not a high level. Typically players are reaching red maps on their first characters at around level 90, which is around the time you will find all 6 trials. This league I actually found them all by level 86, but in other leagues I am finding them all by level 90-92, which I think is okay.

3. If we were able to force summon trials, it would allow players to access lab much earlier. If your primary concern is with RNG, then your proposal should not allow players to access lab any earlier than they are currently able to. Instead, it should allow players to deterministically access lab within the same time frame.

4. You have selected to play SSF, a challenge league. If you were in trade league, you would have the option of joining trials from other players. If you have selected a build that is reliant on the last lab, then you need to be willing to speed run lower tier maps, continue to do zana missions, etc. until you find it. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't play SSF.

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BrettLee wrote:

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

2. Level 87 is not a high level. Typically players are reaching red maps on their first characters at around level 90, which is around the time you will find all 6 trials. This league I actually found them all by level 86, but in other leagues I am finding them all by level 90-92, which I think is okay.

3. If we were able to force summon trials, it would allow players to access lab much earlier. If your primary concern is with RNG, then your proposal should not allow players to access lab any earlier than they are currently able to. Instead, it should allow players to deterministically access lab within the same time frame.

4. You have selected to play SSF, a challenge league. If you were in trade league, you would have the option of joining trials from other players. If you have selected a build that is reliant on the last lab, then you need to be willing to speed run lower tier maps, continue to do zana missions, etc. until you find it. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't play SSF.

Great words! Thank you so much.

My suggestion was, like I said, only an idea. For your 1st commend: Truly it's my opinion. But with the current system, It is not clear for me if I could even get it after 90. I don't know their design philosophy. I am just urging them to somehow lower the rates of RNG elements.
I didn't think about your 3rd argument. I wonder what would happen if players are allowed to access lab much earlier...

For your 4th: Definitely. But even in trade league, the action of accessing those trials are just invitation hunting in a global chat. To me, it's tedious and it is not bringing any value to my gameplay apart from accessing the trials. It is not something I enjoy to be honest. Like someone giving you all the items you need for your build.... Then what? It feels... empty.

I don't know.

I stand behind my argument. Changing it with somehow less RNG layers involved would be for the better.

With feedbacks like yours and many others, I think they can find a middle way!

Thank you once again for your time

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BrettLee wrote:

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

2. Level 87 is not a high level. Typically players are reaching red maps on their first characters at around level 90, which is around the time you will find all 6 trials. This league I actually found them all by level 86, but in other leagues I am finding them all by level 90-92, which I think is okay.

3. If we were able to force summon trials, it would allow players to access lab much earlier. If your primary concern is with RNG, then your proposal should not allow players to access lab any earlier than they are currently able to. Instead, it should allow players to deterministically access lab within the same time frame.

4. You have selected to play SSF, a challenge league. If you were in trade league, you would have the option of joining trials from other players. If you have selected a build that is reliant on the last lab, then you need to be willing to speed run lower tier maps, continue to do zana missions, etc. until you find it. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't play SSF.

If uber labs purpose is to gate people from gaining power, why is not the lab it self the hard part? Buff uber lab for all I care, but not getting anything because you can't FIND it, is just silly design.

I choose SSF for the challenge.. Not finding lab trials isn't challenging, it is just tedious at best and extremly frustrating at worst.

I've seen this arguement again and again, but I have yet to see a valid reason as to what the point of RNG trials RNG is? It does not matter to trade league, as you have said yourself, it litterally does not change a thing if it is deterministic or heavy RNG based, you can just global 820 and be done with it.

Yet on the SSF side it is just annoying. Not challenging, not hard to do, just annoying.

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Ultimace wrote:

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BrettLee wrote:

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

2. Level 87 is not a high level. Typically players are reaching red maps on their first characters at around level 90, which is around the time you will find all 6 trials. This league I actually found them all by level 86, but in other leagues I am finding them all by level 90-92, which I think is okay.

3. If we were able to force summon trials, it would allow players to access lab much earlier. If your primary concern is with RNG, then your proposal should not allow players to access lab any earlier than they are currently able to. Instead, it should allow players to deterministically access lab within the same time frame.

4. You have selected to play SSF, a challenge league. If you were in trade league, you would have the option of joining trials from other players. If you have selected a build that is reliant on the last lab, then you need to be willing to speed run lower tier maps, continue to do zana missions, etc. until you find it. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't play SSF.

If uber labs purpose is to gate people from gaining power, why is not the lab it self the hard part? Buff uber lab for all I care, but not getting anything because you can't FIND it, is just silly design.

I choose SSF for the challenge.. Not finding lab trials isn't challenging, it is just tedious at best and extremly frustrating at worst.

I've seen this arguement again and again, but I have yet to see a valid reason as to what the point of RNG trials RNG is? It does not matter to trade league, as you have said yourself, it litterally does not change a thing if it is deterministic or heavy RNG based, you can just global 820 and be done with it.

Yet on the SSF side it is just annoying. Not challenging, not hard to do, just annoying.

I fully agree with you. Glad to see more replies in this topic. I hope someone from GGG will see this and possibly reply.

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BrettLee wrote:

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

Completely wrong here, since you can do labs way under the level, the level is only what level the lab is and has nothing to do with your level. While leveling alts with twink gear I've done cruel lab around lvl 40 just cuz I could.

Also there's a RaizQT clip where he comments on how dumb finding the trials is and that there is no upside to the system https://clips.twitch.tv/SpeedyEvilYakDatSheffy. A maxed out ascendancy isn't some super power spike, rnging into finding all the trials is needless tedium added every league for literally no meaningful purpose.

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IonDrako wrote:

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BrettLee wrote:

1. It is not suggested level 75..its just one of the requirements to enter the lab. Whether or not you think you should have access to lab before level 90 is just your opinion.

Completely wrong here, since you can do labs way under the level, the level is only what level the lab is and has nothing to do with your level. While leveling alts with twink gear I've done cruel lab around lvl 40 just cuz I could.

Also there's a RaizQT clip where he comments on how dumb finding the trials is and that there is no upside to the system https://clips.twitch.tv/SpeedyEvilYakDatSheffy. A maxed out ascendancy isn't some super power spike, rnging into finding all the trials is needless tedium added every league for literally no meaningful purpose.

RaizQT completely summarized our feelings. It's really disturbing to see no reply for this feedback