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It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
Last edited by SamSmitty#7475 on Sep 21, 2020, 2:48:16 AM Last bumped on Jan 13, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
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Posted bySamSmitty#7475on Sep 21, 2020, 2:47:13 AM
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It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
I second this. It feels as if the damage is not applied, as mobs e.g. rares feel like they die faster with another support socketed, but as you mentioned that could also be due to the large min-max difference in lightning skills
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Posted byAisaHimegami#1283on Sep 21, 2020, 2:59:23 AM
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Posted bySamSmitty#7475on Sep 21, 2020, 11:53:34 AM
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Posted bySamSmitty#7475on Sep 21, 2020, 3:50:34 PM
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SamSmitty wrote:
It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
Thanks for your report, I had a look at this and it looks like Intensity stacks is increasing the damage of the skill though it's not reflected in the tooltip.
Supporting this skill with Intensify Support further increases the damage.
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Posted byJatin_GGGon Sep 21, 2020, 6:21:08 PMGrinding Gear Games
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Jatin_GGG wrote:
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SamSmitty wrote:
It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
Thanks for your report, I had a look at this and it looks like Intensity stacks is increasing the damage of the skill though it's not reflected in the tooltip.
Supporting this skill with Intensify Support further increases the damage.
If we are already talking about Crackling Lance,
Why is it that in the Showcase video spell echo worked with intensity stacking and does not work in the release?
Last edited by Bl4ckExe#2019 on Sep 21, 2020, 6:40:16 PM
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Posted byBl4ckExe#2019on Sep 21, 2020, 6:39:36 PM
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Jatin_GGG wrote:
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SamSmitty wrote:
It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
Thanks for your report, I had a look at this and it looks like Intensity stacks is increasing the damage of the skill though it's not reflected in the tooltip.
Supporting this skill with Intensify Support further increases the damage.
I never argue with devs, I never make toxic posts, I barely use the official forums at all... So when I say this I don't mean any ill intent or anything like that...
What you just said though is wrong. I have had multiple people extensively test intensify support with crackling lance to see if it actually buffing your damage. It is 100% not increasing your damage.
You will get the damage from intensity from the crackling lance gem itself (the self buff built into the gem) but the support without a shadow of a doubt is not increasing your damage.
Can you please re-check? Thanks.
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Posted byTakiri#5918on Sep 21, 2020, 6:45:36 PM
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Takiri wrote:
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Jatin_GGG wrote:
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SamSmitty wrote:
It is currently up for debate if Intensify is working correctly. There are numerous reports that the more damage per intensity stack is not being correctly applied to the skill. The tool-tip does not update its damage with intensity stacks, although I don't believe it has with other skills either. This issue leads to no real way to gauge if the skill is behaving properly or not.
The increased AoE from the gem and mana multiplier are being applied it appears, but due to the large variation in high vs. low damage in a lightning spell, it is very difficult to test if the gem is working properly. Some are reporting it is, others are reporting more damage at max intensity while switching to a "weaker" support gem instead of Intensify.
This unknown is turning a lot of people away from the skill and making those that are using the skill feel like they might be wasting a link.
GGG, could we get some clarification if the support gem is working as intended. Is it possible that if it is, to have tool-tips update with intensity stacks?
Thanks for your report, I had a look at this and it looks like Intensity stacks is increasing the damage of the skill though it's not reflected in the tooltip.
Supporting this skill with Intensify Support further increases the damage.
I never argue with devs, I never make toxic posts, I barely use the official forums at all... So when I say this I don't mean any ill intent or anything like that...
What you just said though is wrong. I have had multiple people extensively test intensify support with crackling lance to see if it actually buffing your damage. It is 100% not increasing your damage.
You will get the damage from intensity from the crackling lance gem itself (the self buff built into the gem) but the support without a shadow of a doubt is not increasing your damage.
Can you please re-check? Thanks.
In a controlled environment (removing the damage range so that Crackling Lance deal 78-78 Lightning Damage at level 1), these are the values I got:
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 101 (1 Intensity stack)
- 125 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 148 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensity stacks on the skill itself give 30% more damage per stack.
With Intensify support (level 1):
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 116 (1 Intensity stack)
- 160 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 210 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensify Support gives 14% more damage per stack.
When using Crackling Lance with Intensify Support, you gain (1.3 * 1.14)% damage per stack, so at 3 stacks you will deal (78 * 1.9 * 1.42) damage.
I hope this clarifies.
EDIT:
It's completely possible there there could be other factors (supports/uniques/passive skills) which could cause this to not behave the way it's support to, I would need more details to find that cause though.
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Posted byJatin_GGGon Sep 21, 2020, 6:56:45 PMGrinding Gear Games
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Jatin_GGG wrote:
In a controlled environment (removing the damage range so that Crackling Lance deal 78-78 Lightning Damage at level 1), these are the values I got:
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 101 (1 Intensity stack)
- 125 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 148 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensity stacks on the skill itself give 30% more damage per stack.
With Intensify support (level 1):
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 116 (1 Intensity stack)
- 160 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 210 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensify Support gives 14% more damage per stack.
When using Crackling Lance with Intensify Support, you gain (1.3 * 1.14)% damage per stack, so at 3 stacks you will deal (78 * 1.9 * 1.42) damage.
I hope this clarifies.
EDIT:
It's completely possible there there could be other factors (supports/uniques/passive skills) which could cause this to not behave the way it's support to, I would need more details to find that cause though.
Isn't intensify support supposed to give 22% per stack? Is the diminishing returns so hard that it lowers it all the way down to 14% per stack? I don't even know what it is DRing with. The Crackling Lance built in damage is vague damage, not area damage.
Also I believe you in that what you are getting are results that prove it works, but between my friends, myself, and many others reporting this issues I just feel like something else is at work then here.
I honestly am super confused. Something else is making it not work or altering damage then, I just don't know what.
Edit: I will say all the testing I first hand witnessed was done through Templar/Inquisitor .. if that matters at all. I don't know what others were doing in that regard.
Last edited by Takiri#5918 on Sep 21, 2020, 7:11:53 PM
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Posted byTakiri#5918on Sep 21, 2020, 7:06:54 PM
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Jatin_GGG wrote:
In a controlled environment (removing the damage range so that Crackling Lance deal 78-78 Lightning Damage at level 1), these are the values I got:
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 101 (1 Intensity stack)
- 125 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 148 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensity stacks on the skill itself give 30% more damage per stack.
With Intensify support (level 1):
- 78 (0 Intensity stacks)
- 116 (1 Intensity stack)
- 160 (2 Intensity stacks)
- 210 (3 Intensity stacks)
Intensify Support gives 14% more damage per stack.
When using Crackling Lance with Intensify Support, you gain (1.3 * 1.14)% damage per stack, so at 3 stacks you will deal (78 * 1.9 * 1.42) damage.
I hope this clarifies.
EDIT:
It's completely possible there there could be other factors (supports/uniques/passive skills) which could cause this to not behave the way it's support to, I would need more details to find that cause though.
UPDATE!: After your post my friends and I did a lot of testing and we actually think the problem is Spell Echo! While we understand that "echoed" casts don't built intensity, the entire gem as a whole is making intensity either not work or making it significantly weaker.
Feel free to test this for yourself and let me know the results please!
I hope this can lead to a positive change! Very happy we MAY have figured this out.
Edit: Just to clarify, the difference between using spell echo and then removing it is night and day. I heavily suggest people try it both ways. Removing spell echo makes the clear/damage go up sooo much.
Edit2: We have the +1 intensity node on the passive tree for this test. Not sure if that matters :)
Last edited by Takiri#5918 on Sep 21, 2020, 7:57:49 PM
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Posted byTakiri#5918on Sep 21, 2020, 7:27:27 PM
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