Just because this deserves more exposure
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Like many, I've spent a lot more time on youtube than I used to, finding gems from years ago that I can't believe I missed.
This particular one is a D&D Rap that as a concept alone doesn't sound like it can work. But I would argue it's better than most of the tracks seeing airplay - and given they've got quite a library there are plenty of other amusing videos that manage to integrate d&d into topics everyone can relate to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RihNxr0TH9g Please check it out - it may not be a genre of music you like but I think most will be pleasantly surprised regardless. Yep, totally over league play. Last bumped on Jul 7, 2020, 11:48:21 AM
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not into gentrification of hip-hop
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" It's hardly gentrification - the rappers I grew up with knew the value of the lyric. Aside from Lil Dicky and Donald Glover, most of the newer artists in heavy rotation just mumble meaninglessness over a beat. If anything it's a reflection of the lack of taste in the younger generations - they buy into songs they can't even understand and have no clue that there's better stuff out there. One of my favorite hip-hop groups that I discovered through friends was Binary Star. But if I only relied on popular media alone, I would have never heard of them. Yep, totally over league play.
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" I dunno what's funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzgjglZqS3Y Lil Dicky's freestyle on Sway is what got me to actually listen to him at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKB66pjw-JA I can't remember if it was 3005 or sober that got me to look him up but it was the freestyles that got me to truly appreciate him. When you see someone freestyle off the dome instead of perform something they wrote over hours/days it's a lot more impressive. EDIT - I grew up with Dre, Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, Ice Cube, Bone, etc. I need to hear lyrics not mumble mumble mumble. Edit 2 - Oh yeah even MC Hammer, even if I only remember him for 2 songs, those songs are still memorable unlike a lot of the stuff today. I haven't really listened to much Drake or Chance, but I know I like Logic. Yep, totally over league play. Last edited by SeCKSEgai#6175 on Jul 6, 2020, 11:31:52 AM
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" fucking lol do you really think rappers nowadays are ALL mumble shits? you haven't even put an ounce of effort into looking for legitimately good rap if you think logic is good. read his lyricism, when he's not rattling off the same tired cliches he's talking about how he wishes he was bipolar cuz kanye west is bipolar, or you know... this line “Fuck her then I bounce, hell nah, I can’t do no date / 1-800, then I kill the pussy, who can relate?” a reference to his suicide hotline song but instead of killing himself he's killing the pussy. real fucking classy. anyway here's some "REAL HIP HOP" https://billywoods.bandcamp.com/album/hiding-places https://aesoprock.bandcamp.com/album/the-impossible-kid https://busdriver-thumbs.bandcamp.com/album/perfect-hair https://soundcloud.com/foolsgoldrecs/sets/danny-brown-xxx https://runthejewels.com/music/ https://clppng.bandcamp.com/album/clppng https://jpegmafia.bandcamp.com/album/veteran https://freddiegibbsmadlib.bandcamp.com/album/pi-ata dr dre put out an album in 2015, a tribe called quest put one out in 2017. at least... tell me you've heard of kendrick lamar lmao edit: holy shit how could I forget about madvilliany PLEASE go listen to that too edit 2: oh yeah aesop rock is white too so much for being against hip-hop gentrification at least he's not a cornball like lil dicky lmao |
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Just because I like an artist doesn't mean I enjoy their entire library of work.
My introduction to Logic was the Everyday video and seeing Steve Blum as the asshole boss was great. I also remember Vanilla Ice and all the crap he was given just because of his skin color. It wasn't really till Eminem that it became widely acceptable that a white rapper could be "authentic". Snow may not have gotten a lot of flack, but he basically had the one song and no one really gave his other work a lot of airtime. But going back to the gentrification thing, I'm not sure I get what you're meaning. The whole reason I was even impressed with the linked video was that it kept a dnd theme without resorting to the usual cheesy rhymes to stay in theme. I remember when Rap and Hip Hop wasn't even regarded as a "real" musical art form. It eventually grew as more people let go of their pre-concieved notions or simply heard something they like. Did you even listen to the song I liked or did you pass judgement based on thumbnail or first frame? But I wholeheartedly admit I don't go looking for new hip hop, or really any new music. I like hip hop, but I like a lot of genres though I don't think I can ever get into blue grass. Can I kick it? Yes you can! Baby Got Back! She Keeps on Passin me by... If I ruled the world... Mr Wendall, That's what I don't get, I give you examples of what I grew up with and you think I wouldn't know A Tribe Called Quest? I like Biz Markie and Digital Underground too. The Message came out before I was born, yet the lyrics still apply today even now. What makes it gentrification? Someone spouting lyrics that doesn't fit a certain picture? It's not like every Tupac song was like Brenda's got a baby and one of his most famous was a song appreciating his mom... Not every new rapper is a mumble - but the fact that they can be so popular says more about the new music and its listeners. I remember I_NO posted a thread about one as a lil joke and we eventually turned that thread into pages of different music recommendations of different genres well beyond rap/hip-hop. But the Gentrification comment and your LMAO comes off as a musical snob, you know the way people used to treat rap and hiphop not so many years ago. And yes, I've heard of Kendrick Lamar - just never listened to a song long enough to form an opinion, nothing against him at all. Yep, totally over league play.
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my gentrification comment was mostly due to the fact that the lyrical content is stereotypical nerdy shit, I mean sure I suppose as far as technical ability goes they're fine, but the point is that rap was born from black culture, and a lot of the more lyrical rap out there addresses serious shit like police brutality, capitalism, etc etc. and ofc tupac would put out a song about his mother lol, there has been a serious problem with black kids growing up without fathers for decades.
I knew you would know who a tribe called quest are, and it seems like I correctly assumed that you don't actively seek out newer hip-hop, hence why I mentioned that they had a new album out from just a few years ago. maybe you missed it, maybe not. same thing with the dre album. mumble rap being popular is just an indication that the mainstream music industry has gotten better and better over the years at distilling art down into a commodity. you don't have to think about the lyrics, because you know they're vapid. the beat's simple and easy to follow so you don't have to pay much attention. you just toss on a spotify playlist with some friends, maybe do some drugs, and chill. which is something I do sometimes, love me some gucci mane. but anyway. the "lmao" comment was solely due to the artists you mentioned. logic plays into the same tropes that can be found in "mumble rap," the only difference is that he raps fast. that's it. technical ability can be important, yes, but that's only half of the story. I've listened to every childish gambino album thus far he's fine, I guess. but not really indicative of how good underground hip-hop is. one major reason why he's popular is that he already had a following due to his acting career. I'm not sure I can be a music snob tbh, that requires an air of superiority and I don't think I can pretend to be superior since one of my favorite albums of last decade was young thug's jeffery. he's the epitome of mumble rap lmao. it just annoys the hell out of me when people talk about "the good ol' days," so to speak. it happens with every genre and every style of music. be it hip-hop, rock, metal, country, electronic, etc. there are millions and millions of artists out there making incredible music, and the internet has made it super easy to ignore what the industry tries to peddle to you. the tldr is just stop paying attention to mainstream music. you said it yourself, one of your fav groups is a group you didn't find off popular media. keep tabs on indie labels, keep tabs on the music your favorite artists are listening to. check sites like bandcamp, rateyourmusic, etc. |
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Now see, that was a lot better than one line responses.
I get the struggle rap was "born" of or out of, that's why I wanted to focus on the "gentrification". Like if I were to think "gentrification of rap" first person that comes to mind is Will Smith, and it wouldn't be a criticism of his work so much as how artists like him helped get it recognized as meaningful expression to the masses as opposed to just noise by anyone who didn't like it. Summertime is still an all time classic to me - no violence, no drugs, just life when things are good. The link with Childish - the appeal for me was him being honest about his annoyance that while fairly well-known another artist can have a similar style or vibe and make way more. It's not just lyrics thrown together to sell records, but personal expression. And yeah they've definitely managed to distill it (as you put it), though for me it really feels like dumbing it down and sacrificing meaning and quality for money. But I doubt Mann Shorts is a big company and I know that at least one is a real estate agent by trade. The last time I heard I heard rap/hip hop about a game that I would actually listen to just because I liked it was Kabuto the Python and BC's N7 EP. Yep, totally over league play.
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