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Hi, a noob question maybe, but why do you dont use Brutality gem in the high budget guide? (tukohama have implicit blood magic).

TY!
Hi,

I'm actually leveling the high budget version (well, i'm trying :) ) and I've so far reached level 59.
I'm confused on one gem combination regarding cast when damage taken and the stone golem association.

In the guide, it states like this:

Gems: CWDT -> Stone Golem -> Vaal Lightning Trap -> Increased Duration

For now, my boots had only 3 of 4 sockets used (I did not have yet the Vaal Lightning Trap). Here are my actual gems descriptions:


"
Cast when Damage Taken Support
Spoiler
--------
Support, Spell, Trigger
Level: 10
Cooldown Time: 0.25 sec
Experience: 2 398 903/3 655 184
--------
Requirements:
Level: 56
Str: 57
Int: 39

Summon Stone Golem
Spoiler
Minion, Spell, Golem
Level: 10
Mana Cost: 46
Cooldown Time: 6.00 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Experience: 1 638 338/1 638 338
--------
Requirements:
Level: 52
Str: 74
Dex: 51

Increased Duration Support
Spoiler
Support, Duration
Level: 12
Mana Multiplier: 140%
Experience: 1 169 325/1 956 648
--------
Requirements:
Level: 54
Str: 87



When I put my Stone golem in the socket, it says "skill can't be used" If I remove CWDT I could use stone golem again.

What did I miss?

PS: Sorry for my grammar, I'm french.
I changed around from your 2.6 setup to this build (budget version) after you moved things around for 3.0. Now I am weak as hell. I can't even kill a basic unique monster. My dps and life is now garbage. What happened? I used to have 8k life and now I am down to around 3k.
Does Maim pair well with ancestrial warchief?
Does Maim pair well with ancestrial warchief?
"
Krompir wrote:
Hi,

I'm actually leveling the high budget version (well, i'm trying :) ) and I've so far reached level 59.
I'm confused on one gem combination regarding cast when damage taken and the stone golem association.

In the guide, it states like this:

Gems: CWDT -> Stone Golem -> Vaal Lightning Trap -> Increased Duration

For now, my boots had only 3 of 4 sockets used (I did not have yet the Vaal Lightning Trap). Here are my actual gems descriptions:


"
Cast when Damage Taken Support
Spoiler
--------
Support, Spell, Trigger
Level: 10
Cooldown Time: 0.25 sec
Experience: 2 398 903/3 655 184
--------
Requirements:
Level: 56
Str: 57
Int: 39

Summon Stone Golem
Spoiler
Minion, Spell, Golem
Level: 10
Mana Cost: 46
Cooldown Time: 6.00 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Experience: 1 638 338/1 638 338
--------
Requirements:
Level: 52
Str: 74
Dex: 51

Increased Duration Support
Spoiler
Support, Duration
Level: 12
Mana Multiplier: 140%
Experience: 1 169 325/1 956 648
--------
Requirements:
Level: 54
Str: 87



When I put my Stone golem in the socket, it says "skill can't be used" If I remove CWDT I could use stone golem again.

What did I miss?

PS: Sorry for my grammar, I'm french.


as it says cast when damage taken, so if u get enough dmg, the stone golem will be cast automatic
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AlfreX wrote:
Hi, a noob question maybe, but why do you dont use Brutality gem in the high budget guide? (tukohama have implicit blood magic).

TY!


read FAQ
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"
BuildSeeker wrote:
I changed around from your 2.6 setup to this build (budget version) after you moved things around for 3.0. Now I am weak as hell. I can't even kill a basic unique monster. My dps and life is now garbage. What happened? I used to have 8k life and now I am down to around 3k.


read FAQ
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Hideout Community Discord: https://discord.gg/B2xQkmf
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Dralanorr
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/guggelhupf
"
zazey wrote:
2 - Using in-game testing on Uber Lab, as well as a few hours on PathOfBuilding, I firmly believe the optimal setup of gems at min-max is as follows:
Ancestral Warchief - Damage on Full Life - Melee Phys - Brutality - Ruthless - Conc Effect/ IncAOE
Reasoning: With the min-max tree we pick up virtually 0 attack speed, our totems attack at roughly 2.3-2.4 attacks per second without faster attacks, and 2.9-3.1 APS with faster attacks. The attack speed is way to low to scale damage off of, so by losing .6 second APS and gaining 50% MORE damage we gain roughly 25-45k additional dps over faster attacks at perfect gear.

Note: The tooltip ingame for ruthless is wrong, and doesn't calculate the third hit properly.


There's no way Brutality is good for dps. You lose all the damage from Hatred and Herald of Ash. But you're right about inc attack speed being a suboptimal gem slot. On PoB, the most DPS is from Ancestral Warchief - Damage on Full Life - Melee Phys - Maim - Ruthless - Conc Effect/ IncAOE.

However, in practice, damage on full life may not be active all the time. To me, this is a CI gem so it may be worth using inc aspd over that in a 6 link anyway.
"
guggelhupf wrote:
"
Krompir wrote:
Spoiler
Hi,

I'm actually leveling the high budget version (well, i'm trying :) ) and I've so far reached level 59.
I'm confused on one gem combination regarding cast when damage taken and the stone golem association.

In the guide, it states like this:

Gems: CWDT -> Stone Golem -> Vaal Lightning Trap -> Increased Duration

For now, my boots had only 3 of 4 sockets used (I did not have yet the Vaal Lightning Trap). Here are my actual gems descriptions:


"
Cast when Damage Taken Support
Spoiler
--------
Support, Spell, Trigger
Level: 10
Cooldown Time: 0.25 sec
Experience: 2 398 903/3 655 184
--------
Requirements:
Level: 56
Str: 57
Int: 39

Summon Stone Golem
Spoiler
Minion, Spell, Golem
Level: 10
Mana Cost: 46
Cooldown Time: 6.00 sec
Cast Time: 1.00 sec
Experience: 1 638 338/1 638 338
--------
Requirements:
Level: 52
Str: 74
Dex: 51

Increased Duration Support
Spoiler
Support, Duration
Level: 12
Mana Multiplier: 140%
Experience: 1 169 325/1 956 648
--------
Requirements:
Level: 54
Str: 87



When I put my Stone golem in the socket, it says "skill can't be used" If I remove CWDT I could use stone golem again.

What did I miss?

PS: Sorry for my grammar, I'm french.


as it says cast when damage taken, so if u get enough dmg, the stone golem will be cast automatic


Thanks, I've tryed and it is cast according to damage.
Anyway, I ask myself why it's better to cast the golem on hit instead of casting it from the begining (especialy if it helps for life regeneration and help me to be more often at maximum life for 'Damage on full life support')?

I've just bought the vaal of lightning trap and correct me if I'm wrong about the gameplay the way it should be played:

The stone golem should be cast by CWDT and Vaal Lightning Trap should be cast manually by me on demand ?

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