SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

And there is no "bad" gameplay here

You actually, genuinly believe this? A simple yes or no will suffice, no need to explain in detail.

All of it being pretty much very subjecive, my answer would not actually matter, would it ?

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gibbousmoon wrote:

By the way, which of the two do you suppose checked Reddit to get that day's layout before they began?

Ok, that one was actually funny.

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Xavathos wrote:

Thing is though, Fruz hit the nail on the head when he said it, where as with you there's no nail in sight to begin with.

Sure calling me egoist for pointing out your mistake, then calling poeple who do not like lab spoiled kids. No contradiction here, perfect logic...
Sorry buddy, he did not hit anything.
And your statement is funny also. Defending arcade content in PoE, then telling me that I do not know what ARPG genre is...

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gibbousmoon wrote:

You are not wrong, but it remains a band-aid. The Labyrinth would remain less than mediocre despite its astounding potential, and it would remain hated by many.

Fair enough. But IMO such band-aid is good enough for now

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gibbousmoon wrote:

It would simply no longer be engaged by most players.

Well, this alone is quite good evidence that there is something very bad with lab...

Let me putting it in a more simple way :

Saying that you don't care about PoE's lore / roleplay ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people that do actually care about it.


And yes, you do not seem to understand what "action" means.

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Nishrek wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Thing is though, Fruz hit the nail on the head when he said it, where as with you there's no nail in sight to begin with.

Sure calling me egoist for pointing out your mistake, then calling poeple who do not like lab spoiled kids. No contradiction here, perfect logic...
Sorry buddy, he did not hit anything.
And your statement is funny also. Defending arcade content in PoE, then telling me that I do not know what ARPG genre is...

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gibbousmoon wrote:

You are not wrong, but it remains a band-aid. The Labyrinth would remain less than mediocre despite its astounding potential, and it would remain hated by many.

Fair enough. But IMO such band-aid is good enough for now

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gibbousmoon wrote:

It would simply no longer be engaged by most players.

Well, this alone is quite good evidence that there is something very bad with lab...

YOU call it arcade content. I never did, buddy. Don't put words in my mouth please.

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Xavathos wrote:

YOU call it arcade content. I never did, buddy. Don't put words in my mouth please.

Check analysis in the first post in topic please. The lab is arcade content, and you are defending it

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Fruz wrote:

Let me putting it in a more simple way:

Saying that you don't care about PoE's lore / roleplay ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people that do actually care about it.

Let me paraphrase you:

Saying that you don't care about people who consider lab a bad design ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people who do not like lab (and who gave many alternatives to current design).
Lore is always inferior to the gameplay and design in ARPG, not the other way around. This how it is, and like it has alway been.

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Fruz wrote:

And yes, you do not seem to understand what "action" means.

You simply ignore inconvenient facts, do you? This kind of 'action" does not fit in an ARPG game.

This is also "action":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0SNsJ_NUoY
Does it fit PoE?

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Nishrek wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

YOU call it arcade content. I never did, buddy. Don't put words in my mouth please.

Check analysis in the first post in topic please. The lab is arcade content, and you are defending it

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Fruz wrote:

Let me putting it in a more simple way:

Saying that you don't care about PoE's lore / roleplay ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people that do actually care about it.

Let me paraphrase you:

Saying that you don't care about people who consider lab a bad design ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people who do not like lab (and who gave many alternatives to current design).
Lore is always inferior to the gameplay and design in ARPG, not the other way around. This how it is, and like it has alway been.

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Fruz wrote:

And yes, you do not seem to understand what "action" means.

You simply ignore inconvenient facts, do you? This kind of 'action" does not fit in an ARPG game.

This is also "action":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0SNsJ_NUoY
Does it fit PoE?

I don't care at all what the first post of the topic says the lab is. I don't agree with any of it, hence the discussion in this thread.

Posting here doesn't mean everyone automatically conforms with OP. On the contrary.

So again, don't put words in my mouth please. Path of Exile is an ARPG by definition and so is the Lab. Even the tier 1 Arcade map isn't arcade.

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Xavathos wrote:

I don't care at all what the first post of the topic says the lab is.

According to Fruz (who by your word "hit nail on the head") youre a nice egoist then.

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Xavathos wrote:

Even the tier 1 Arcade map isn't arcade.

I do not know if this is a joke, or you are not aware of the fact a word can have more than one use in a language...

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Nishrek wrote:

Let me paraphrase you:

Saying that you don't care about people who consider lab a bad design ( because that is essentially what you said ), implying that it's not the point of the game and that it does not matter, is egoistic towards people who do not like lab (and who gave many alternatives to current design).
Lore is always inferior to the gameplay and design in ARPG, not the other way around. This how it is, and like it has alway been.

I would teach you how to use proper English and build sentences that actually make sense, but .... no I actually I would not, I really have other things to do.
At least, you trying to argue without understanding it is kind of funny, I have to say.

And you end up with a statement that must be the absolute truth of course.



Now let me tell you something : the lore ( not only, but still ) is important enough to GGG to keep the lab as it is, linked to its lore, with the ascendancy points.
And whatever you say, this is not going to change.
Have fun dealing with it.

And what you think should fit or not in PoE ( because it's ARPG duh ! how would anyone dare do this !! ) is of no relevance, by the way.
What matters is GGG's stance and what the playerbase overall likes/thinks, but only to a certain extent for the second one.

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Nishrek wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

I don't care at all what the first post of the topic says the lab is.

According to Fruz (who by your word "hit nail on the head") youre a nice egoist then.

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Xavathos wrote:

Even the tier 1 Arcade map isn't arcade.

I do not know if this is a joke, or you are not aware of the fact a word can have more than one use in a language...

Then I guess I am. I can only speak for myself, so in a way I can't be anything other than ego. I try, but I'm just me and nobody else.

Also one Arcade is a name, the other is a genre. There are multiple uses for the same words in every language. Give you an example.

"Work" can mean a job. "I need to get to work."
Or it could indicate something isn't broken. "These maps work perfectly."
Or it could mean something you do to fix it. "Both of you should work it out together."

Same word, three completely different meanings. :)

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Fruz wrote:

Now let me tell you something : the lore ( not only, but still ) is important enough to GGG to keep the lab as it is, linked to its lore, with the ascendancy points.
And whatever you say, this is not going to change.
Have fun dealing with it.

And what you think should fit or not in PoE ( because it's ARPG duh ! how would anyone dare do this !! ) is of no relevance, by the way.
What matters is GGG's stance and what the playerbase overall likes/thinks, but only to a certain extent for the second one.

Another nail on the head. You should consider a career in carpentry, bud.

This is exactly what I've been saying for a while now. Path of Exile is a game created by a team of developers and artists in their vision. We are the consumers of their product. In a way, it should be made for us, because without us there would be almost no point. However, this isn't a single painting on a wall. On such a large scale as a game like Path of Exile, there are going to be things SOME people will dislike or disagree with.

Path of Exile is a passion project. It is vital for the future of the game that the development team continues to create it in their vision and on their ideas. Because creating something is done from the heart, it's not something you can force. We see this time and time again with certain titles that NEED to push annual releases. They get progressively worse, because they're just meeting demands by publishers and shareholders, rather than creating something as a passion project. GGG is independant for a reason, you know.

Of course feedback is important and of course we should all speak up when we dislike something. A lot of things may be experimental and development is a proces of trial and error. (no pun intended) But we should not forget that our feedback may or may NOT be taken to heart. I was never against this thread at the start, even if I didn't agree it should be changed. But the demanding nature of it nowadays and the people who post in it is turning into more than feedback.

In the end, the only ones to decide what happens to the game are the developers, not us, not ever. By all means have your say, let your voice be heard, it's important! But do it in a constructive manner and be open to "no" as an answer. Don't make demands.