SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Xavathos wrote:

Except you're missing my point.

No. You are missing the point. Lore can't be an excuse for bad design.

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Xavathos wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

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raics wrote:

Where are your role playing instincts people?

If I want to focus on Role Play I will play Pillars Of Eternity (or even better D&D with some friends), not Path of Exile.

Gee, I wonder, do you know what ARPG stands for..?

ACTIONRPG.
Again. Lore can be an excuse for bad gameplay.

Especially when they spend too much on the lore and refuse to fix bad game play because of the investment.

Even loyal streamers go ugh grimace and do it and never look back. you can see the pain and boredom on their faces.

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Nishrek wrote:

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raics wrote:

Where are your role playing instincts people?

If I want to focus on Role Play I will play Pillars Of Eternity (or even better D&D with some friends), not Path of Exile.

Well ...

GOOD FOR YOU.

"Nice" display of egoism there.

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Nishrek wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Gee, I wonder, do you know what ARPG stands for..?

ACTIONRPG.
Again. Lore can be an excuse for bad gameplay.

If you are implying that the lab does not have enough "Action" there, you might have problems with the meaning of that word then.

And there is no "bad" gameplay here, there are mostly couple of posters behaving like kids and that believe that the game should catter to all their expectations.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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raics wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

Gives option only to fight Izaro for AP. No loot, no XP, nothing except AP. Easy to implement and resolves problems.

And doesn't fit the lore. Imagine that after all that effort Eternals expended to improve the traditional Azmeri labyrinth trial some jackalope just strode in and asked to become a supreme&omnipotent ruler without running it. Talk about anticlimactic.

But it's ok for the lore for you to ask some 15 year old kid with a mouth breathing lab build to do it for you.

"Bilbo thought of going up the volcano. But he didn't want to hurt his feet so he paid george 2 chaos to do it for him."

If POE wrote lord of the rings this is how it would end.

Again with the "lab build" statement. We've debunked that hundreds of pages ago. Every build literally EVERY build can do lab, therefor EVERY build would be a "lab build". So all builds PoE offers are "mouth breathing 15 year old kid" build? Nice. Thank you for your invaluable input and feedback...

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Xavathos wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

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raics wrote:

And doesn't fit the lore. Imagine that after all that effort Eternals expended to improve the traditional Azmeri labyrinth trial some jackalope just strode in and asked to become a supreme&omnipotent ruler without running it. Talk about anticlimactic.

But it's ok for the lore for you to ask some 15 year old kid with a mouth breathing lab build to do it for you.

"Bilbo thought of going up the volcano. But he didn't want to hurt his feet so he paid george 2 chaos to do it for him."

If POE wrote lord of the rings this is how it would end.

Again with the "lab build" statement. We've debunked that hundreds of pages ago. Every build literally EVERY build can do lab, therefor EVERY build would be a "lab build". So all builds PoE offers are "mouth breathing 15 year old kid" build? Nice. Thank you for your invaluable input and feedback...

I'm very surprised that you don't recognize that some builds work much better in the lab than other builds. I really thought that you were more PoE knowledgeable than that?

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Nishrek wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Decoupling the Ascendancy points from the Labyrinth would also be a band-aid rather than a real solution, analogous to the current pay-for-carries workaround.

What? Separating Ascendancy from the lab is a real solution
* Lab is profitable farming area for people who like it
* People who do not like lab do not have to run it.

Win-win scenario

You are not wrong, but it remains a band-aid. The Labyrinth would remain less than mediocre despite its astounding potential, and it would remain hated by many.

It would simply no longer be engaged by most players.

"Band-aid" is not a perfect analogy, but if fixing the Labyrinth to make it fun is analogous to healing a wound, then I'd say "encouraging people to simply avoid the content" is a pretty solid candidate for the band-aid analogy.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

But it's ok for the lore for you to ask some 15 year old kid with a mouth breathing lab build to do it for you.

"Bilbo thought of going up the volcano. But he didn't want to hurt his feet so he paid george 2 chaos to do it for him."

If POE wrote lord of the rings this is how it would end.

Again with the "lab build" statement. We've debunked that hundreds of pages ago. Every build literally EVERY build can do lab, therefor EVERY build would be a "lab build". So all builds PoE offers are "mouth breathing 15 year old kid" build? Nice. Thank you for your invaluable input and feedback...

I'm very surprised that you don't recognize that some builds work much better in the lab than other builds. I really thought that you were more PoE knowledgeable than that?

Sure but the lab is completable easily with every build that can do content of a comparable level, because shockingly traps can be done with 100% skill and the rest of the lab is the exact same as the game. It's 100% fine and in fact even better that not every build can do all content as easily, in fact the lab is great precisely because different builds are good at it than the rest of the game. GGG should make more content that is easier and harder for different builds, it's great.

Also did you listen to the lore? That's exactly what the story the lore is telling, a guy from sarn and a guy from ezomyre did, they teamed up and the Azmiri totally ran the lab for the Sarn guy.

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j33bus wrote:

Also did you listen to the lore? That's exactly what the story the lore is telling, a guy from sarn and a guy from ezomyre did, they teamed up and the Azmiri totally ran the lab for the Sarn guy.

Nice catch, j33bus. I'd forgotten about that.

By the way, which of the two do you suppose checked Reddit to get that day's layout before they began?

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Fruz wrote:

And there is no "bad" gameplay here, there are mostly couple of posters behaving like kids and that believe that the game should catter to all their expectations.

Well ...

GOOD FOR YOU.

"Nice" display of egoism there

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Nishrek wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

And there is no "bad" gameplay here, there are mostly couple of posters behaving like kids and that believe that the game should catter to all their expectations.

Well ...

GOOD FOR YOU.

"Nice" display of egoism there

Nice copy pasterino, have a cappuccino. Post count achievement earned.

Thing is though, Fruz hit the nail on the head when he said it, where as with you there's no nail in sight to begin with.