SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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dickhole_mcghee wrote:

You're the only one which uses the word "feels" as opposed to "thinks" or "is", which I commend, but I doubt Regulator et al would cosign.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Second, it's of prime importance that a game designer keep in mind which choices are optimal, as these will be chosen by more and more players, especially as time goes on. (The word "mandatory" is commonly used, but it's not a good word to describe what's going on.) For example, if you start with a "loot tension" concept and then decide to make that feature optional, with an opt-out toggle in the Options menu, the result is going to be that virtually no one uses it and assembling a Short Allocation party is nigh-impossible. This is an entirely separate issue than fun; players will tend towards the most rewarding behaviors regardless of how boring or even painful you make them. Therefore, wherever someone says they want to make content or features "optional" what they're really saying is: I want the vast majority of players to not experience this.

Basically, if Ascendancy points weren't tied to the Lab, only competitive Lab racers (and a couple odd ducks) would ever go there, because 100% of the remaining rewards would be based on running the Lab faster than others (if you're not competitively fast, it's better to trade for enchantments than run Lab). The casual "one time" Lab experience would become a thing of the past.

There's optional and there's mandatory and there is expected. If Ascendancy points are removed from Lab, you can expect virtually no one to go there. For example, without consulting the wiki, can you even tell me what the unique boss of Dread Thicket is, what unique mechanics it has, if it is a fun fight or not? Most players can't; most players have never been.

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miljan wrote:

So, what basically it comes down to, and how you look at this things are, if there is a new optional way of getting the point it will be easier so people will only do that way, even if they find lab fun?

So, if the new optional way of getting points, is harder to get (but its the same gameplay like other parts of POE, not platform bullshit), takes more time, and is not rewording (and it can even cost currency that you need to pay to get to it), compared to normal lab, than it would be OK to have in game by your standards? Because than, the only people that would try to get the new optional point would be people that hate trap gameplay, and are even ready to try get the point less viable/optimal way, but more fun way for them? Because I would have no problems with that. Would you?

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miljan wrote:

So, what basically it comes down to, and how you look at this things are, if there is a new optional way of getting the point it will be easier so people will only do that way, even if they find lab fun?

So, if the new optional way of getting points, is harder to get (but its the same gameplay like other parts of POE, not platform bullshit), takes more time, and is not rewording (and it can even cost currency that you need to pay to get to it), compared to normal lab, than it would be OK to have in game by your standards? Because than, the only people that would try to get the new optional point would be people that hate trap gameplay, and are even ready to try get the point less viable/optimal way, but more fun way for them? Because I would have no problems with that. Would you?

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miljan wrote:

So, what basically it comes down to, and how you look at this things are, if there is a new optional way of getting the point it will be easier so people will only do that way, even if they find lab fun?

So, if the new optional way of getting points, is harder to get (but its the same gameplay like other parts of POE, not platform bullshit), takes more time, and is not rewording (and it can even cost currency that you need to pay to get to it), compared to normal lab, than it would be OK to have in game by your standards? Because than, the only people that would try to get the new optional point would be people that hate trap gameplay, and are even ready to try get the point less viable/optimal way, but more fun way for them? Because I would have no problems with that. Would you?

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Pyrokar wrote:

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dickhole_mcghee wrote:

You're the only one which uses the word "feels" as opposed to "thinks" or "is", which I commend, but I doubt Regulator et al would cosign.

I don't even know why i bother writing anymore but here goes nothing:
Lab is frogger.
Lab is like frogger.
Which of those did people say?

Further explanation as to why people think Lab is like frogger:
It resembles that gameplay.

When i asked some other people in game they told me it was like sonic, remove armor and shield, get boots with max ms, quicksilver of adrenaline, run as fast as possible and just ignore everything. Vroom vroom mothafucka etc. I personally see it as mario or mario kart.

Now, since this was another "not the right word" argument, tell your family to hook you up with some prescriptions por favor.

Also, i am really sorry if you thought i insulted you by saying you don't understand english but if i did, then i said the same thing about myself in the very next sentence. So by your logic i insulted myself.
Doesn't make much sense unless i am the most epic of trolls that can read you like an open book or something.


Now Scrotie is love, Scrotie is life. Scrotie makes some great posts and some great points (even in this thread you are pretty much on point in some things you say). We all now that, but Scrotie you sometimes are a troll as well. The numerous times you said "Just git good" proves it. I am not saying this to indicate that you're wrong or anything. It was clear to me, from a previous argument we had, that you do not play that much anymore and i just want to say that you might not understand what the players are faced with in game.