will essence drain's DOT be affected by projectile damage?
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will it? cause if it is then i can use slow proj, proj passives, etc, etc...
Last edited by Kaepora#4389 on Dec 7, 2015, 11:02:42 AM
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Don't see anything that would indicate otherwise, it's a well-established interaction.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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The problem is whether essence drain's projectile damage and essence drain's debuff damage are influenced by same things. If we go by what we see on wiki they are separate things with separate modificers (still, spell modificers apply):
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Essence_Drain
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"Deals (4–6 to ?–?) Chaos Damage
Deals (13 to ?) Base Chaos Damage per second Base duration is (6 to ?) seconds Modifiers to Spell Damage also apply to this skill's Damage Over Time Recover 0.20% of Debuff Damage as Life" Last edited by Alex_Lied#4288 on Dec 7, 2015, 11:44:45 AM
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If a DoT effect is in any way the result of a projectile it will be affected by projectile damage, we had no exceptions to this rule so far.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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" It would be great if it was so (Slower projectile hype) but if that was the case why do we have in the gem description this: "Modifiers to Spell Damage also apply to this skill's Damage Over Time" While the skill itself have this keywords:Projectile, Spell, Duration, Chaos. .... shouldn't spell dmg modifier be obvious if it is spell ?? Why post additional information for that. GGG don't put unnecessary things in the descriptions. That's why I think it is safe to assume they are separate things. |
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" It's far from unnecessary, the skill does some serious rule bending there. By default, we have four base damage types - attack, spell, secondary and DoT, any damage you deal can be one and only one of those. So far only Crown of Eyes was able to modify the rule, though not completely. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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" exactly, DoTs don't scale with spell damage, they're of a different delivery type. "Projectile", like "AoE" or "Trap" or "Totem", is something that operates independently of both that delivery type and the damage type (phys, chaos, fire/lighting/cold)... if the skill has one of those properties, it will scale with it, be it via a spell or attack or secondary or DoT delivery. However, if the skill didn't have a special property to let the DoT scale with spell damage, it wouldn't do so by default.. it *does* need to be pointed out, because it operates contrary to the usual rules. Frankly, i actually hate that some DoTs can scale on projectile damage... it's what makes puncture entire orders of magnitude better for bows than melees could ever hope to get, and it's what's going to make poison significantly stronger for archers/wanders than melees. But, that's the way the mechanic works for better or, as is generally the case, for worse (balance-wise). But in the case of Essence Drain, it'll be pretty reasonable (there's no double-dipping or blatant ranged-attack favoritism going on with it as a result of it scaling with projectile damage) Last edited by Shppy#6163 on Dec 7, 2015, 7:45:01 PM
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" Now that you put it that way I understand it... or rather, I "get it". When you compare it to other skills in PoE. But mechanic-wise, having DoT "spell-like" infection be scaled by projectile modifiers.... ow well. Scaling explosive fuse of explosive arrow by slower projectile makes as much sense as this one. |
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" It would only be fair if generic melee (physical) modifiers applied the same way but for some reason this is not the case. | |
" True. When you do bow or wand based CoC, projectile modifiers on tree and gems (like SP gem) can enhance both spells and attack itself, while cyclone CoC need to strugle or choose which one is more important here. Right now I am trying to desing new build for CoC cyclone-blade vortex combination but apart from auras nothing works well here - all physical gems works just for melee. Same here - if someone will try to use Essence drain for CoC, bows will work great and melee will need to build whole character around this idea to be optimal. |
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