Chris: ALT-F4 LEGIT STRAT

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Nastakanoth wrote:

Relying on alt+f4 to survive, is more likely to kill you than anything else.

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Chris wrote:

I played hardcore d2 for many years. I pressed alt-F4 once every few days on average. I cannot imagine an Action RPG design where it's blocked. We discussed this heavily when designing PoE. I'd love to find a solution (because I agree it's bad in principle), but being able to "Nope" out of situations drastically changes a lot about the game.

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bhavv wrote:

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Chris wrote:

I played hardcore d2 for many years. I pressed alt-F4 once every few days on average. I cannot imagine an Action RPG design where it's blocked. We discussed this heavily when designing PoE. I'd love to find a solution (because I agree it's bad in principle), but being able to "Nope" out of situations drastically changes a lot about the game.

Sorry but this is beyond stupid.

Alt F4ing is actively blocked in Sacred 2 because the game autosaves every time you die. In standard core this removes your survival bonus, and in hardcore perma deletes your character.

I cannot believe that you think that a game designed around being able to alt f4 to escape death can possibly be hardcore at all. Its simply cheating to avoid dying in a hardcore game, and players, and it seems the developers of PoE too actively abuse doing this and somehow believe it makes them better players.

You are beyond wrong about defending this rubbish mechanic, in a hardcore game death should be death. You shouldn't have options to simply avoid it like this and not lose your progress, otherwise what exactly is the point in having a hardcore mode?

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bhavv wrote:

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Chris wrote:

I played hardcore d2 for many years. I pressed alt-F4 once every few days on average. I cannot imagine an Action RPG design where it's blocked. We discussed this heavily when designing PoE. I'd love to find a solution (because I agree it's bad in principle), but being able to "Nope" out of situations drastically changes a lot about the game.

Sorry but this is beyond stupid.

Alt F4ing is actively blocked in Sacred 2 because the game autosaves every time you die. In standard core this removes your survival bonus, and in hardcore perma deletes your character.

I cannot believe that you think that a game designed around being able to alt f4 to escape death can possibly be hardcore at all. Its simply cheating to avoid dying in a hardcore game, and players, and it seems the developers of PoE too actively abuse doing this and somehow believe it makes them better players.

You are beyond wrong about defending this rubbish mechanic, in a hardcore game death should be death. You shouldn't have options to simply avoid it like this and not lose your progress, otherwise what exactly is the point in having a hardcore mode?

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Josephoenix wrote:

no is forcing YOU to use it. If you want to stick by your hardcore ideals... go for it!
If your HC character dies, then delete him/her.

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Mahesys wrote:

You all just don't understand the real utility of fast exiting a game.

Who played D3 of you sirs? i bet no one, in D3 there is a timer for exit of 10 seconds in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And for any circumstance, i refer to massive lag too.

Just go on D3 forums and watch all lag death, right there, once you lag (both client or server side) for more than 3 seconds, you are DEAD and you cannot defend yourself in any way, in ANY FUKKING WAY

Now please tell me both HC and SC players: do you want a 10 second timer on exit, forcing you to die by any lag (desync too), or you prefer a fast exit and avoid lag deaths?

I just can't imagine the uber QQing on these forums if a 10 sec timer is implemented: "OMG OMG i lag died fu GGG i want my pg back it's ur fault QQ QQ"

Think about it in a HC mentality maybe, i lost 2 times a PG in D3 due to lag, and i was fuking upset, i don't wanna lose other chars here for lag too.

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Zealflare wrote:

"When a player disconnects or exits the game while in mid-combat (same mechanic as ES recharge timer), they incur an exp penalty/loss of 3%".

You still keep your character if you experience a DC/power-outage.
You can still avoid this by running away and porting back to town.

Exp penalty would discourage reckless play from high level players (regardless of SC or HC). Lets see how many people would bitch about this suggestion. ;)

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Xavderion wrote:

Babycore tears in 3..2..1..

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Zealflare wrote:

"When a player disconnects or exits the game while in mid-combat (same mechanic as ES recharge timer), they incur an exp penalty/loss of 3%".

You still keep your character if you experience a DC/power-outage.
You can still avoid this by running away and porting back to town.

Exp penalty would discourage reckless play from high level players (regardless of SC or HC). Lets see how many people would bitch about this suggestion. ;)