Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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McHuberts wrote:

1. People who like FFA
2. People who don't like FFA

The obvious solution would be, which is also suggested in many posts, to give both camps what they want. Make it an option in multi-player instances. But especially the players in favor of FFA do not like that. Why is that?
I think because it is no fun to pick loot from others who are also focused on picking loot. A thief wants to rob the innocent and not another thief. I cannot think of another reason.

Not sure if this accurate or not but some reasons should exist.
Otherwise why would they think that having more options is a bad thing?

More options suits for more people, more people generates more income
for GGG, keeping the game alive and more stable financially.
Really that simple from my point of view.^^

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mobutu wrote:

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Powster wrote:

Instanced loot makes the game feel like a single player game. FFA loot makes it easy to realize that the other people are.. actual people.

Another silly argument just for the sake of it, in a long series of irrational and illogical pro-ffa arguments.

There are 1000 threads about ffa loot.. there have been many good posts about why FFA is good (just like there honestly have been some good about instanced).

My comment I would say is not really silly.. the game really feels solo to me with instanced loot. D3 partying was SO SO SO boring with random people with instanced loot. After a few times using the party system I never used it again with people I didn't know. If D3 had a FFA loot system I would talk a lot more to the people asking them if they needed like a rare wand I found or something.. eventually partying with them more later on.

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Powster wrote:

If D3 had a FFA loot system I would talk a lot more to the people asking them if they needed like a rare wand I found or something.. eventually partying with them more later on.

I'm not sure why you'd need to talk to party members with FFA loot when they'd see the rare wand drop and if you didn't want it, you could just leave it on the ground, whereas with instanced loot, you're forced to communicate what dropped to see if there's interest in it.

My only D3 multiplayer experience involved me getting a rare that suited the other guy and me dropping it for him and him dropping something that suited my class. That was a far better experience with loot (in a public party) in the demo of D3 than I've ever had in PoE.

So if D3 had an option to switch between FFA and instanced, you'd like their loot system better? And if PoE had options I (and several others) would like it more. Hmm... seems pretty obvious what's best for the game.

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mobutu wrote:

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Powster wrote:

Instanced loot makes the game feel like a single player game. FFA loot makes it easy to realize that the other people are.. actual people.

Another silly argument just for the sake of it, in a long series of irrational and illogical pro-ffa arguments.

And another post by someone who only sees things one way. His way.

Many people have given many valid arguments for why they like FFA. But you seem to just discard them because you don't like them yourself.

Just because someone's view and opinion is different than your own, does not mean their view is silly or illogical.

Many of your posts are quite illogical. You state things that you cannot back up. Such as, " if an option is implemented, there will be no penalty". Now how the hell do you know that? You're not a Dev.

Or how about when you say, " most players don't like FFA loot". How do you know that as well?

Those are your opinions, they are not facts.

Just because someone says something that you do not agree with, does not mean they are wrong.

Grow up

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Powster wrote:

If D3 had a FFA loot system I would talk a lot more to the people asking them if they needed like a rare wand I found or something..

That's an example that keep poping up, but it's nonsense. Why can't you ask them if they need a rare rare item with instanced loot??
Since atleast 99.9% of all rares that drop are crap it's not like anyone thinks that you got a useful wand jsut because they saw you pick pu an unidentified one.

when you party in a group and you say instanced loot is like solo, yeah, thats silly. because the party memeber are there, you share their auras, you work together in strategies and killings etc. thats not solo, it's party.

it's the same with that stupid "i dont want instanced-loot option because then nobody will play ffa anymore"

even a child can see the stupidity behind those "arguments"

I can uderstand a valid pro-ffa argument but bullshit it's bullshit no matter how you look at it.


and regarding how many people dont like ffa it's there for you to see it: plenty of rage of forums, no public parties etc it's easy to estimate that the majority of players opposes the current system, you don't need a degree for that, it's basic common sense, open your eyes and spark that (tired) neuron and you'll see.

you pro-ffa people should really take that blindfold off and at least have the courtesy of option. especially that you are the minority.

grow wise

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mobutu wrote:

when you party in a group and you say instanced loot is like solo, yeah, thats silly. because the party memeber are there, you share their auras, you work together in strategies and killings etc. thats not solo, it's party.

it's the same with that stupid "i dont want instanced-loot option because then nobody will play ffa"

even a child can see the stupidity behind those "arguments"


and regarding how many people dont like ffa it's there for you to see it: plenty of rage of forums, no public parties etc it's easy to estimate that the majority of players opposes the current system, you don't need a degree for that, it's basic common sense, open your eyes and spark that (tired) neuron and you'll see.

you pro-ffa people should really take that blindfold off and at least have the courtesy of option. especially that you are the minority.

grow wise

Maybe you should read the thread about why people don't play in pubs. There are MANY different reasons.

And most of the threads are filled with the same people stating the same arguments.

Just because many people don't like, does not mean the majority doesn't. That's common sense.

Many != majority

I've read that thread and guess what, fffa loot it's among the most important reasons for people to not group.
of course there are others reasons too but ffa its the most mentioned reason of them all.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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mobutu wrote:

when you party in a group and you say instanced loot is like solo, yeah, thats silly. because the party memeber are there, you share their auras, you work together in strategies and killings etc. thats not solo, it's party.

it's the same with that stupid "i dont want instanced-loot option because then nobody will play ffa"

even a child can see the stupidity behind those "arguments"


and regarding how many people dont like ffa it's there for you to see it: plenty of rage of forums, no public parties etc it's easy to estimate that the majority of players opposes the current system, you don't need a degree for that, it's basic common sense, open your eyes and spark that (tired) neuron and you'll see.

you pro-ffa people should really take that blindfold off and at least have the courtesy of option. especially that you are the minority.

grow wise

Maybe you should read the thread about why people don't play in pubs. There are MANY different reasons.

And most of the threads are filled with the same people stating the same arguments.

Just because many people don't like, does not mean the majority doesn't. That's common sense.

Many != majority

You can still read any of those threads and count more players who want another system to play the game on. But so what? Even if you learned that there were more players who didn't like FFA would you change your stance? I doubt it. Who cares who is the majority. Its obvious enough that its at least in high demand.

I still think people don't group because they are anti social. D3 barely had any grouping even with instanced loot. Now they just have something to blame it on. I don't like the current system which is why I have always proposed options for the party leader to set. With the timer loot, people get upset if you pick stuff up that had their name on it even if they didn't get to it in time. This is not how the system was supposed to work. It was designed merely to allow ranged classes to get to loot. I think people get more upset now than when it was just regular FFA loot. It feels like WoW when somebody rolls need and everyone starts crying.