Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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anubite wrote:

Just because a majority wants something doesn't mean it's good for them.

And from where I come from, majority rules is another word for tyranny.

And no, I am not a ninja looter. Don't even accuse me of such a thing.

I talk about instanced loot because it's the only proposal I see getting any traction that significantly bothers me right now.

Simple fix. Loot < rare and currency < alchemy uses current timer the rest is instanced. If instanced loot is not claimed after 10 seconds it switches automatically to FFA

Would you be happy with this system?

Whew we are lucky that you know what is good for us. I mean, we need some people who know - now that Hitler, Stalin and great Mao are gone.

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wiggin wrote:

Whew we are lucky that you know what is good for us. I mean, we need some people who know - now that Hitler, Stalin and great Mao are gone.

Uh oh. Godwin rears his ugly head.

But seriously, instanced loot or PoE = Single Player game with PvP

These people, probably a small minority, won't be happy with anything else but ffa (or ffa with ridiculous low timers which is still ffa).
No other option, because they know ffa wont stand a chance and in the end they will loose. You can easily see their fear on their posts.

I wonder, are they being obtuse on purpose? Are they like this for real?
Only reading their arguments it's like head-bashing against a wall.
I can't believe how obtuse, narrow-minded and dull they can be. Incredible.
And they call themselves "hardcore", "elitists" and other-laughable like that ... and they pretend to know better for everybody. They hold the absolute truth. lol

When the open beta gates will open just be prepared for the carnage that the ffa-loot sytem will cause.
If one cannot learn from history then history will repeat itself.

Oh well, I just get on because I can't resist shooting down arguments that I think are bad. Other than that you can only hope that GGG does something for us. They more than likely already know what they are going to do and if they really want to keep it like this then so be it. Its their game and I will play it regardless, I mostly want looting options so that the game can get as popular as possible and people who think like us don't show up see that its FFA and leave. I would definitely like the game more if I didn't have to play single player or FFA but its still the best ARPG out there regardless.

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mobutu wrote:

These people, probably a small minority, won't be happy with anything else but ffa (or ffa with ridiculous low timers which is still ffa).
No other option, because they know ffa wont stand a chance and in the end they will loose. You can easily see their fear on their posts.

I wonder, are they being obtuse on purpose? Are they like this for real?
Only reading their arguments it's like head-bashing against a wall.
I can't believe how obtuse, narrow-minded and dull they can be. Incredible.
And they call themselves "hardcore", "elitists" and other-laughable like that ... and they pretend to know better for everybody. They hold the absolute truth. lol

When the open beta gates will open just be prepared for the carnage that the ffa-loot sytem will cause.
If one cannot learn from history then history will repeat itself.

Hahahaha

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anubite wrote:

Just because a majority wants something doesn't mean it's good for them.

And from where I come from, majority rules is another word for tyranny.

And no, I am not a ninja looter. Don't even accuse me of such a thing.

I talk about instanced loot because it's the only proposal I see getting any traction that significantly bothers me right now.

OT here but I'm curious.. where do you come from?

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wiggin wrote:

Whew we are lucky that you know what is good for us. I mean, we need some people who know - now that Hitler, Stalin and great Mao are gone.

I've demonstrated what's wrong with the popular line of thinking and I'm not the only one, who in the past, has demonstrated popular thinking has been wrong. The world was flat, we couldn't go to the moon, 2^(1/2) was rational, and lead cups were great to drink wine from.

I'm not trying to arrogantly imply that it's "my way or the highway" - whatever GGG does, GGG does, but I think my argument is more conclusive than, "oh well but the majority of players want this, and majority rules, you know?" That kind of thinking lead to slavery. Quit being dim. What you want may not be what you really want. I've already explained how instanced loot is "deceptively fair".

And for the record, Stalin and Mao, though horrible dictators, were not inherently wrong. Many of their schemes benefited Russia or China in some way, if only economical or developmental. Don't try to imply that this is a black or white manner.

I am perfectly fine with options that appeal to others, so long as FFA is still an option too. I enjoy FFA along with the people I tend to play with, I do not believe that giving an option will adversely affect us and if I am in a public game and someone joins demanding something other than FFA well they know where the door is and we'll happily help them to get out :).

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anubite wrote:

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wiggin wrote:

Whew we are lucky that you know what is good for us. I mean, we need some people who know - now that Hitler, Stalin and great Mao are gone.

I've demonstrated what's wrong with the popular line of thinking and I'm not the only one, who in the past, has demonstrated popular thinking has been wrong. The world was flat, we couldn't go to the moon, 2^(1/2) was rational, and lead cups were great to drink wine from.

I'm not trying to arrogantly imply that it's "my way or the highway" - whatever GGG does, GGG does, but I think my argument is more conclusive than, "oh well but the majority of players want this, and majority rules, you know?" That kind of thinking lead to slavery. Quit being dim. What you want may not be what you really want. I've already explained how instanced loot is "deceptively fair".

Would you be happy with a partial instanced system? Loot < rare and currency < alchemy uses current timer the rest is instanced. If instanced loot is not claimed after 10 seconds it switches automatically to FFA