[2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable!

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Grocery wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

how it is expensive? 2 damage+1 life gems are frop 1\2 to 1 ex, nothing special

Good luck rolling those gems. Also getting the blue gear is not cheap. Look at Dygnity's CA thread, he even stated himself hidden potential gear is more expensive than the standard CA gear.

Those gems have life and double damage rolls lol. That is not cheap. 1-2 ex per makes the jewels alone 3-6ex. For a new league that is not "cheap"

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Grocery wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

how it is expensive? 2 damage+1 life gems are frop 1\2 to 1 ex, nothing special

Good luck rolling those gems. Also getting the blue gear is not cheap. Look at Dygnity's CA thread, he even stated himself hidden potential gear is more expensive than the standard CA gear.

Those gems have life and double damage rolls lol. That is not cheap. 1-2 ex per makes the jewels alone 3-6ex. For a new league that is not "cheap"

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Belton wrote:

Yeah sorry Grocery, wasn't saying that to disparage your tooltip but rather in reponse to the person who was asking how its possible to hit 35k.
I collab talk to Dyg alot on TS re: PA (CA) theorycrafting, and while HP does give more dmg overall it does have its drawbacks-

Can also confirm that it is indeed more expensive in most cases to roll that gear if you cant find it on poe.trade, as there is little room for variance and getting t1/t1 takes a ton of alts (and in the right res combinations).

Have been considering dropping the chest HP slot to run kaoms however, as that would bring the build to around 6500 life, this being with Ubers in mind, wherein the benefits of lightning coil are slightly lower (Vaals are by far the hardest fight for PA).

2 dmg mod Jewels + life are also quite expensive (1-3ex generally) which doesnt seem like a ton- but compared to most builds its insanely expensive for a 3 mod jewel, not to mention you should be runnning several of them (at least 4), particularly with HP as you will have a ton of flat life from gear so its important to get the life %-- similarly, additional dmg has greater benefit now as a result of all the supports being "more multipliers" (with the exception of empower, of course).

certainly merits to both approaches, on the whole damage isnt much of an issue so its just managing your defensive stats and mobility that is problematic.

As a final note CA's current theoretical maximum tooltip is approximately 41k without rallying cry and Conc effect taken into consideration. This is assuming 2 dmg mod jewels and life, and not 3 dmg mod jewels as those are next to unobtainable in leagues, also with the tree at level ~90.

Can +/- that figure for personal choices (if you decide to forego some defensive stats to pick up ranger proj nodes for example), however on the whole- Caustic arrow does more damage than it did previously, so it is in a pretty good spot.

Would suggest swapping out conc effect for rarity or inc aoe while mapping though- as we only obtain 55-65% pierce now while using drillneck, the multi cloud spreading is unreliable, moreover due to the new supports pushing inc aoe out of the norm, the cloud radius is quite small which can seriously hurt clear speeds while mapping. Even if you drop conc, one cloud is generally enough to kill mobs in most midtier->lower end high tier maps anyways (assuming you have ~20k cloud dps which is easily obtainable)

Fun build though and great guide! Always like to see different takes on it. Keep up the good work.

Belton

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MatheusGirardelli wrote:

Why doesn't worth use the passive Vitality Void, since now it can leech chaos damage ?

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Grocery wrote:

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MatheusGirardelli wrote:

Why doesn't worth use the passive Vitality Void, since now it can leech chaos damage ?

We dontalked need leech since regen is enough. Wasted points essentially. Also cloud dps still doesn't leech I believe. Have you tested it?

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Grocery wrote:

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Belton wrote:

Yeah sorry Grocery, wasn't saying that to disparage your tooltip but rather in reponse to the person who was asking how its possible to hit 35k.
I collab talk to Dyg alot on TS re: PA (CA) theorycrafting, and while HP does give more dmg overall it does have its drawbacks-

Can also confirm that it is indeed more expensive in most cases to roll that gear if you cant find it on poe.trade, as there is little room for variance and getting t1/t1 takes a ton of alts (and in the right res combinations).

Have been considering dropping the chest HP slot to run kaoms however, as that would bring the build to around 6500 life, this being with Ubers in mind, wherein the benefits of lightning coil are slightly lower (Vaals are by far the hardest fight for PA).

2 dmg mod Jewels + life are also quite expensive (1-3ex generally) which doesnt seem like a ton- but compared to most builds its insanely expensive for a 3 mod jewel, not to mention you should be runnning several of them (at least 4), particularly with HP as you will have a ton of flat life from gear so its important to get the life %-- similarly, additional dmg has greater benefit now as a result of all the supports being "more multipliers" (with the exception of empower, of course).

certainly merits to both approaches, on the whole damage isnt much of an issue so its just managing your defensive stats and mobility that is problematic.

As a final note CA's current theoretical maximum tooltip is approximately 41k without rallying cry and Conc effect taken into consideration. This is assuming 2 dmg mod jewels and life, and not 3 dmg mod jewels as those are next to unobtainable in leagues, also with the tree at level ~90.

Can +/- that figure for personal choices (if you decide to forego some defensive stats to pick up ranger proj nodes for example), however on the whole- Caustic arrow does more damage than it did previously, so it is in a pretty good spot.

Would suggest swapping out conc effect for rarity or inc aoe while mapping though- as we only obtain 55-65% pierce now while using drillneck, the multi cloud spreading is unreliable, moreover due to the new supports pushing inc aoe out of the norm, the cloud radius is quite small which can seriously hurt clear speeds while mapping. Even if you drop conc, one cloud is generally enough to kill mobs in most midtier->lower end high tier maps anyways (assuming you have ~20k cloud dps which is easily obtainable)

Fun build though and great guide! Always like to see different takes on it. Keep up the good work.

Belton

Not worries man! I never felt that there was anything wrong with your replies. I appreciate the alternative build options GREATLY. Having more options is always good, especially for when people want to go all out with a build.

Are you going to make a guide for the hidden potential variant? I'd recommend you do!

If not, I'll add your info and build option to the op with credit to you as a second option!