Witch - Undead Evangelist spectres - spell echo, faster casting or increased AOE? - Forum

I have a choice of those three blue support skills to use with my evangelists and I'm not sure which one would be best. I have them linked to added fire already. I'm leaning toward increased AOE but all three have their benefits. I used them for a while with spell echo and they did great but I can imagine a greater AOE range would be more effective overall, for both the attack and the shield. Anyone have experience with this and can recommend the best choice? Last edited by MrSparkle001#1624 on Jun 15, 2015, 12:57:50 AM	Posted by MrSparkle001#1624 on Jun 15, 2015, 12:56:06 AM Quote this Post
Well I got lucky and rolled a pretty good helmet so now my evangelists are using both echo and increased AOE. It's a beautiful thing. They kick serious butt on their own and they aren't even my main damage dealers. Question will be if I keep increased AOE after 2.0 or switch to minion damage. Last edited by MrSparkle001#1624 on Jun 16, 2015, 2:13:40 AM	Posted by MrSparkle001#1624 on Jun 16, 2015, 2:10:55 AM Quote this Post
get a +2 minion + empower echo spectre conc effect IGN: Ariannahh Alf's True summoner: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1322360/page/1 Alf's Only SRS: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1454368 Hideout: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1428672	Posted by kjksdajk#4421 on Jun 16, 2015, 3:11:06 PM Quote this Post
" kjksdajk wrote: get a +2 minion + empower echo spectre conc effect Extra minion levels ain't as beneficial for spectres as it is for zombies. Instead of 10% more damage at lvl20 they would do 14% more damage at lvl 22 (18% at lvl24). Any other support (minion damage or increased aoe because of conc.effect) would therefore be much much better than empower.	Posted by Bada_Bing#4191 on Jun 16, 2015, 5:36:56 PM Quote this Post
I'd rather have the increased AOE over concentrated effect. I want the large shield and large bomb radius. My SRS are my main damage dealers. If I could figure out where to put my vaal haste I'd add minion damage for 2.0.	Posted by MrSparkle001#1624 on Jun 16, 2015, 7:19:18 PM Quote this Post
empower is best gem, having +6 spectres in helmet is kinda 5L them. Is not the cheapest way tho IGN: Ariannahh Alf's True summoner: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1322360/page/1 Alf's Only SRS: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1454368 Hideout: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1428672 Last edited by kjksdajk#4421 on Jun 17, 2015, 7:22:21 AM	Posted by kjksdajk#4421 on Jun 17, 2015, 7:21:40 AM Quote this Post
" kjksdajk wrote: empower is best gem, having +6 spectres in helmet is kinda 5L them. Is not the cheapest way tho What makes you think empower is the best, or even a good choice? You assume a +2 helmet with a lvl 21 corrupted raise spectre (which gives 16% more damage at lvl 23). A corrupted lvl 4 empower would add 3 more levels which results in a lvl 26 spectre that gets 22% more damage. So the lvl 4 empower only contributes 6% (yes six!) more damage. Lets assume 1000 base damage. The damage with your empower/conc effect/echo setup would be: 1000 x 2,05 (that's the 105% increased minion damage from the tree) x 1,69 (con.effect) x 1,22 (more damage because +6 lvl) x 1,69 (echo cast speed) = 7.143 with 76% increased minion damage instead of empower you get: 1000 x 2,91 (the tree 105% + 76% from the gem) x 1,69 x 1,16 (16% more damage because +3 lvl) x 1,69 = 9.641 As you can see you'll deal 25% less damage when using empower, making it probably the worst choice to support spectres. Things look different for zombies and raging spirits as the increase per level isn't a meager 2% more damage but an increase in the flat damage they are dealing (the difference between a lvl 23 and a lvl 26 zombie is not 6% but 34%). tl;dr empower is the worst support for spectres. Never use it with them. Also don't put spectres in a +2 helmet. Zombies go there. Last edited by Bada_Bing#4191 on Jun 17, 2015, 2:14:26 PM	Posted by Bada_Bing#4191 on Jun 17, 2015, 2:13:17 PM Quote this Post
" Bada_Bing wrote: " kjksdajk wrote: empower is best gem, having +6 spectres in helmet is kinda 5L them. Is not the cheapest way tho What makes you think empower is the best, or even a good choice? You assume a +2 helmet with a lvl 21 corrupted raise spectre (which gives 16% more damage at lvl 23). A corrupted lvl 4 empower would add 3 more levels which results in a lvl 26 spectre that gets 22% more damage. So the lvl 4 empower only contributes 6% (yes six!) more damage. Lets assume 1000 base damage. The damage with your empower/conc effect/echo setup would be: 1000 x 2,05 (that's the 105% increased minion damage from the tree) x 1,69 (con.effect) x 1,22 (more damage because +6 lvl) x 1,69 (echo cast speed) = 7.143 with 76% increased minion damage instead of empower you get: 1000 x 2,91 (the tree 105% + 76% from the gem) x 1,69 x 1,16 (16% more damage because +3 lvl) x 1,69 = 9.641 As you can see you'll deal 25% less damage when using empower, making it probably the worst choice to support spectres. Things look different for zombies and raging spirits as the increase per level isn't a meager 2% more damage but an increase in the flat damage they are dealing (the difference between a lvl 23 and a lvl 26 zombie is not 6% but 34%). tl;dr empower is the worst support for spectres. Never use it with them. Also don't put spectres in a +2 helmet. Zombies go there. you only think about damage? I dont understand standar players i guess IGN: Ariannahh Alf's True summoner: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1322360/page/1 Alf's Only SRS: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1454368 Hideout: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1428672	Posted by kjksdajk#4421 on Jun 17, 2015, 8:34:53 PM Quote this Post
" kjksdajk wrote: " Bada_Bing wrote: " kjksdajk wrote: empower is best gem, having +6 spectres in helmet is kinda 5L them. Is not the cheapest way tho What makes you think empower is the best, or even a good choice? You assume a +2 helmet with a lvl 21 corrupted raise spectre (which gives 16% more damage at lvl 23). A corrupted lvl 4 empower would add 3 more levels which results in a lvl 26 spectre that gets 22% more damage. So the lvl 4 empower only contributes 6% (yes six!) more damage. Lets assume 1000 base damage. The damage with your empower/conc effect/echo setup would be: 1000 x 2,05 (that's the 105% increased minion damage from the tree) x 1,69 (con.effect) x 1,22 (more damage because +6 lvl) x 1,69 (echo cast speed) = 7.143 with 76% increased minion damage instead of empower you get: 1000 x 2,91 (the tree 105% + 76% from the gem) x 1,69 x 1,16 (16% more damage because +3 lvl) x 1,69 = 9.641 As you can see you'll deal 25% less damage when using empower, making it probably the worst choice to support spectres. Things look different for zombies and raging spirits as the increase per level isn't a meager 2% more damage but an increase in the flat damage they are dealing (the difference between a lvl 23 and a lvl 26 zombie is not 6% but 34%). tl;dr empower is the worst support for spectres. Never use it with them. Also don't put spectres in a +2 helmet. Zombies go there. you only think about damage? I dont understand standar players i guess Most traditional summoner setups use spectres as their main damage source/AOE clear while the zombies are the ones doing most of the tanking. Make sense since spectres usually arent that tanky and are difficult to resummon.	Posted by solidghost#2299 on Jun 17, 2015, 10:38:01 PM Quote this Post
" kjksdajk wrote: you only think about damage? I dont understand standar players i guess If you think about survivability/defense the argument stays exactly the same. Survivability: A lvl 26 spectre gains only 3% more life than a lvl 23 one. A lvl 20 minion life on the other hand gives 49% increased life. Defense: If one is looking for a better defense from evangelists one would also not use empower (and concentrated effect). Focussing on the protection one gets from the bubbles one would use increased aoe and increased duration instead.	Posted by Bada_Bing#4191 on Jun 18, 2015, 2:19:16 AM Quote this Post